Wow that Gambit game was amazing.
Wow that Gambit game was amazing.
" I'll tell you the ultimate secret of magic. Any cunt could do it." - John Constantine
I've played like 10 Dominion games so far, and I have to say playing Summoner's Rift un-ranked, on a sub lvl 30 account, without a support and jungler is so much less fun than playing Dominion.
Here's my list of Pros and Cons regarding playing Dominion.
- Gold income at a faster pace.
- Far more pvp action.
- Not having to micro manage last hitting minions.
- Objectives aren't designed around having full mastery points and best runes avialable.
- You aren't streamlined into specific roles (which hardly ever happens anyway at the lvl I play at, which can easily ruin a game).
- Snowballing doesn't happen the same way as in Summoner's rift.
- Hardly any difference between a loss and a win except for the ending score.
- Someone playing very badly/feeding doesn't affect your own game play as much.
Cons (the only things I could think of):
- Probably less fun to play competetively.
- Team fights are less crucial.
- You rarely get a full build (because of the short game time).
- Some items are different from Summoner's Rift (which is quite confusing to be honest).
- Longer queue time
So my point is... Why isnt Dominion promoted much more between poor players? I've never seen anyone mention it before. The only reason why I stumbled upon it was because I was randomly checking the different features.
Do any of you play Dominion reguarly?
Bugger. Was hoping to see GG go through.
The map design itself does lead to some champions being really overpowered and a pain to fight against, i.e. Kassadin, Kha'Zix, and Jayce.
I need a Teemo statue aswell.
To smash. Mwahahahaha!
Pros you're talking about, Funk:
Speed is the key to winning Dominion, many people overlook it. That's why people rage at a pro/very good Shaco in Dominion because he's going to every CP at all times with speed boots and you can't and won't be able to keep up unless you yourself have a Shaco or an Eve for example.
Feeding is more forgiving in Dominion than SR or TT but not playing bad. Playing bad or just being a newbie(which is understandable) can and will affect your games in Dominion.
Cons you're talking about, Funk:
Would it be more fun? Well, I have no idea but if there was a ranked Dominion, I'd probably play it all day instead of going PG(assuming it has no ranked, otherwise PG ftw!).
Fun is kinda subjective and everyone has their own interpretation and that's something Riot can't define for everyone. Only way to know that is when they release it/experiment it on PBE.
Dominion also has a hidden ELo thing like SR does/did(?). I think I'm at almost 2k in there, no idea tbh, haven't played in there for a while, I'm a PG whore as of the moment.
Though I can say that the players I played with, all games lasted between 20 minutes to 30 minutes and having 5 items was usually possible, 6 items for sure in 23 minutes if you're fed, assuming you went bot.
You just rarely go full items simply because Dominion has a lot more noobs playing, than in SR, and there's a big skill difference between some players, and good players in Dominion will win games in less than 20 minutes for sure, if not less than 15 minutes, in which case, yes going even 4 items will probably never happen.
Tell me, would you rather have BT instead of SB(Sanguine Blade) instead in Dominion? Fuck no you wouldn't. There's almost no farm in Dominion, there's no way to farm and to KEEP that farm on your BT. It's fundamental that some items aren't the same as SR, SB being a good example.
Do you know that a lot of SR players just go to Dominion to relax and take a break from SR, ranked or not ranked? It happens a lot, I was one of them when I used to play SR and some ranked games. It's a good way to break some steam off since people do not take it in a serious way, atleast not in low elo games.
Obviously, if people don't care or just do it for fun and don't want to put effort into it, Riot won't be doing much to Dominion(or any other map might I add), not in a competitive way or a ranked system way atleast.
If they do, it's just to improve graphics, item balancing, as long as nothing doesn't interfere with SR game play, they can do it, but they aren't because hell, SR is the thing.
Last edited by Majad; 2013-03-08 at 07:47 PM.
Great post, Majad.
I play Dominion when I need a First Win of the Day quickly...or am tired of SR.
I do find it fun...especially bottom lane. My Cho'Gath brings all the boys to the yard.
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Omg, the sexy tryndamere splashes. Those are wonderful.
Thanks for the replies. Keep in mind I only managed to play 10 games in Dominion as of yet, and that my account is only lvl 18.
Regarding the team fight point. What I meant was that team fights happens far less in Dominion, so if your comp is a weak team fight comp, or if you as a player in general don't like to rely so much on your partners in having a great game, you can simply decide to avoid team fights altogether and it wont cause you to be at a disadvantage. This is especially the case because of the short ressurection timer and that all 5 objectives are rated equally.
As for the fact that some items differ in Dominion. Seen from my opinion I've just about learned the stats, names, icons and prices of the most standard items in SR. Having to learn additional items is a bit of an annoyance (but I understand your point why there should be a difference in items).
The main annoyance I have regarding not having full masteries and runes (actually I dont have any runes at all) in SR is the fact that I can't really jungle efficiently on some/most champions, and my last hitting/farming in lane could be improved by a lot by a simple stat increase for the first handful of levels. This means that the games at my level of play is slowed by up to 10 extra minutes before you get strong enough to tower dive solo/get dragon/tower kill/get all the cool items. Of course farming less efficiently have a big play in it.
Dominion is also a very great place to learn new champions. The sole reason I discovered Dominion was because I bought two new champions I wanted to play, and to avoid ruining other's games in SR I decided to play against bots instead (and therefore realised that there were other things than just SR PvP).
@Thallidomaniac So you're saying that Kassadin is a strong champion in Dominion? I've always wanted to try that champion after watching it being played in LCS (not that I expect to play anywhere near how the pros play him). Is he worth buying?
The official forums sure have some gems every now and then.
And how do you play Dominion in a traditional/meta sense anyway? Figuring summoner spells, team composition, lane spread and whatnot. I've tried it a few times and it was quite enjoyable, though it was worrying being clueless at the same time with no one else willing to help or being equally clueless. :x
Team compositions changed a lot since I've played the last time but usually duel/assasin champions are quite popular. Whatever you pick you should be either good at defending a point, capping (=fast movement) or at duelling. Abilities which interact/bypass a wall are a bonus.