lol, try this, 25m magmaw, from memory liek 15 or so kills maybe more, 1-2 akiris has dropped everytime except for 2 of the kills
Oh, and it took me 5 months to get the power generator hood.
Honestly, 10 mans need some kind of buff to the loot that drops. 2 items just isn't enough most of the time. I'd say my guild disenchants a solid 80% of what drops each week when quite a few people still need upgrades. At the same time though, RNG is RNG, and I don't really expect anything to really change. Just have to tough it out in the end.
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Killed Magmaw every week of the expansion without a tanking trinket.
I, too, raided in vanilla 40 mans. And even back then 8 kills on a boss with the same drops was frustrating. Whether eight kills is not that many or more than enough is subjective. Doesn't change the fact that the same loot continues to drop and get DEed. And frankly, arguing that your are too adjusted to 40 mans when there haven't been 40 mans for a very long time is somewhat ridiculous.
Been waiting for the Mail Healing bracers from Chimaeron. They doesn't drop.
Same for us with the tank mace from Maloriak. Never seen it.
Also the dagger from Omnotron refuses to drop.
Damn you RNG!
TBH, I think that the loot isn't 100% random. It's happened far too often, not just with Cata raids, but Wrath raids too. Same loot week after week. I find when we change up our raiding pattern a bit, we have a tendency to get different drops. Whether it be running the same raid on a different day, or with a different group makeup. We had someone not able to make it, and ended up 9-manning all of BWD, (well, excluding Nef), and we ended up getting lots of pieces that haven't dropped for us.
Coincidence? Maybe. Probably. But sometimes I can't help but wonder if the RNG for loot drops gets seeded based on the day/time or number of people in the instance, or whatever. Because no RNG is *truly* 100% random, ask any programmer.
RnG is RnG, I've done 17 Maloriak kills on my prot paladin, and not once seen the tanking sword drop, I have however seen the helm drop probably about 3 or 4 times.
That's basically the only reward you get for doing a 25-man: higher chance of different kinds of loot dropping.
The system has worked this way since Vanilla, it's not going to chance. If you want more loot diversity, go 25-man, otherwise stick with 10-man and hope it drops. If there wasn't any RNG factor, there wouldn't be anything exciting about looting the boss.
EDIT:
I ran with the same shield for over a year in Wrath, so I'm not saying this because I haven't experienced horrible drop rates.
T11's about to end and I've never seen that fucking Omnitron spirit/int ring drop, on normal or heroic. And I've killed Omnitron every week since Cata started.
being satisified with not having an upgrade on a particular slot for near 6 months is stupid... either that or you are happy with gimping your dps/heals/tanking with inferior gear.. Its more annoying when the damn spirit cloth and tank plate drops.. every god dam week without fail.. I've still to see the helm from antremedies (blind seer) and we've killed near every lock out for 5 months.. just sucks. I agree rng is rng.. but some items blatantly have higher drop rates.
I still think it would be a bit more manageable if there was one "set" of epic gear available from raid drops and another with valor points, but the items would cost considerably more than they do now. This way you could get the proper gear in case of horrible loot luck.
RNG is RNG yes. It's not that odd when a single item never drops, but when you get the same items week after week you start feeling that something's wrong with the RNG.
fix 10 man loot issues? weird I didn't even know there was a problem with 10 man loot. >.>
The amount of elitism in this thread is sickening.
its funny to see that so much ppl ask Vanilla wow back and yet they QQ that killing a boss 8 times is much?
go back to vanilla.... ive raided for several months in a row without getting my head item
get over it
Farmed a Hc during tbc for a tank weapon, think i killed the boss 16 times, and i didnt get the it. and they just upgraded the ammount of gear you get in 25 man, so if you hate the RNG that much, GO 25 MAN!