[Priest] PvE Shadow Guide (by Kilee)

**Kpal11** · 2012-02-05, 06:25 AM

Hey Kilee

At the moment my shadow priest (Årchångel) is working on Yosaj 10 Heroic, yet I just can't seem to pull more than 30kish DPS, our best attempt being 20%.

Here are the logs: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-hgpqak7gdfwx65h2/
Here is my character: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...%a5ngel/simple

We are also going to start working on Ultraxion 10 Hc, we got him to about 30% the 2nd or 3rd try we tried it, but havn't got that on logs.

I just want to know how to boost my DPS on those fights, I have read a few times that stacking mastery for a AA and SF combo spamming MS and MB on CD is a significant increase in DPS. I'm not sure how true this is though.

Also, for yosaj, how can I maximise DPS on that boss, as I am the priest that is using both the hymms when manavoid is up, and when the red/yellow/black phase is up, to give mana on mana void and healing on that painful phase. I know our setup is not great, 2 shadow priests, 2 mages etc, but we're a small guild :/.

With the nerf in effect we should have both down next week, if not this week, but I just want to push out way more DPS as currently, i'm shocked at how low it is compared to the other classes...

Really appreciate it,
~Årchångel

**Comi** · 2012-02-07, 05:20 PM

Step 1: Read Kilees Guide 5x then read HowtoPriest on the 4pc theorycraft. Use Rotation #2 or 3. You can get 1,500-2k+ DPS increase instantly but it will take dummy practice.

You have 2549 haste which needs to be 2589 for the VT extra tick then reforge into mastery. Use wowreforge.com to get your hit to 17%, you are wasting extra points being over hit cap. Upgrade your neck piece with the valor one.

Keep dots on mana void and dot up the first 5-7 adds and make sure to maintain good ES uptime before you Sear your butt off.

During your opening 4pc burst you should aim for 50k -55k+ with your gear. After the initial burst, try to have dots rolling for the remainder usage of your 4pc.

Get some epic red and yellow gems into all 397 BIS pieces. Get lavawalker and Greater Mastery enchants. Upgrade that weapon when possible. Focus on BIS items only.

**Kpal11** · 2012-02-07, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Comi

Step 1: Read Kilees Guide 5x then read HowtoPriest on the 4pc theorycraft. Use Rotation #2 or 3. You can get 1,500-2k+ DPS increase instantly but it will take dummy practice.

You have 2549 haste which needs to be 2589 for the VT extra tick then reforge into mastery. Use wowreforge.com to get your hit to 17%, you are wasting extra points being over hit cap. Upgrade your neck piece with the valor one.

Keep dots on mana void and dot up the first 5-7 adds and make sure to maintain good ES uptime before you Sear your butt off.

During your opening 4pc burst you should aim for 50k -55k+ with your gear. After the initial burst, try to have dots rolling for the remainder usage of your 4pc.

Get some epic red and yellow gems into all 397 BIS pieces. Get lavawalker and Greater Mastery enchants. Upgrade that weapon when possible. Focus on BIS items only.

I upgraded gear yesterday from 393 ilevel to 395.

Last raid i tried out the 4-pc mind spike(with 393 ilevel) it works a charm and i agree it does boost dps by 1-2k, very nice.

As I said, gear was upgrade yesterday night and perhaps I overlooked the haste thing, will change that asap just a hitch on my end, other than that, thanks alot (:

EDIT: As for reforging: this is the best combo of reforges that I can actually get. EDIT (again...): Okay... Your reforge calculator works alot better than mine... thanks.
EDIT: As for haste: Again, the best possible with this gear

**Solia** · 2012-02-07, 07:12 PM

What's telling you to reforging INTO crit?
Wrong VP Cloak?
A trick for reforging is to reforge the highest of the 2 secondary stat into Haste until you can hit your goal (in this case 2589.) Just noticed you don't have the VP trinket which makes the Haste issue null. It's pretty strong with the 4p MSp rotation.

**Kpal11** · 2012-02-08, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Solia

What's telling you to reforging INTO crit?
Wrong VP Cloak?
A trick for reforging is to reforge the highest of the 2 secondary stat into Haste until you can hit your goal (in this case 2589.) Just noticed you don't have the VP trinket which makes the Haste issue null. It's pretty strong with the 4p MSp rotation.

Long story short: I was on skype to a mate and I asked him to look up the priest BiS back as I wasn't sure what one it was, and he told me it was this one, I didn't check and then I realised like 2 hours into raid, and had 2 mins to return, i went mental at it, ffs. ... But yeah.

**Togglespark** · 2012-02-18, 11:21 PM

Have you redone the PP values for trinkets since the changes made to Cunning of the Cruel? I'm curious if I should be farming Cunning on LFR now to replace Corrupted Mind normal. Wasn't worth my time really before since we have access to heroic now, but you know.

**Kilee25** · 2012-02-19, 04:58 AM

I haven't redone the guide yet. Cunning is worth a bout 100 PP more than listed for all versions.

Bottled Wishes is worth 700 PP when paired with the 4p set bonus.

**Erebor** · 2012-02-19, 06:06 AM

Kilee, thanks for your previous answer to my question and after a lot of reading here and H2P, I just have one more question.

Our balance druid now have the DI buff (that bastard!) and I'm with the T13-4pc. Do you recommend me to reforge haste until ~2600 and go mastery all the way?

Thanks for your attention!

**Kilee25** · 2012-02-19, 02:49 PM

Hey Erebor, I would recommend trying it, yes. I've heard a lot of people having good results with it.

**mandizzle** · 2012-02-20, 06:00 AM

You guys see anything I could do to improve my dps on my spriest?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Zzipit/simple

I think I've got haste at the right level (3230) and just trying to see if there's anywhere else I can squeeze out a lil more.

I am doing the 4pc rotation thing and it helps quite a bit.

Thanks in advance.!

**tobben** · 2012-02-20, 12:27 PM

Hi Kilee! Quick question, are there any other trinkets that scale with 4set? Since bottled wishes scales with 4set and goes up to around 700 PP does that mean for example the Foul Gift of the Demon Lord scale with 4set aswell?

**Eldarc** · 2012-02-20, 12:54 PM

The trouble with foul gift is that it's a proc and you can NOT activate at will to align it with the new rotation.

**tobben** · 2012-02-20, 01:14 PM

After some testing it seems that bottled wishes isn't worth it... I'm hitting 26 k with Foul gift of the demon lord, while I'm only hitting 22-23 k with bottled wishes. All the tests were done on dummies though.

**Joyful** · 2012-02-20, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by tobben

After some testing it seems that bottled wishes isn't worth it... I'm hitting 26 k with Foul gift of the demon lord, while I'm only hitting 22-23 k with bottled wishes. All the tests were done on dummies though.

Don't ever try shadow dps on a dummy as its extremely dependent on buffs and to some degree RNG with orbs.

**Kilee25** · 2012-02-20, 05:29 PM

I'm not of the opinion that target dummy testing is worthless. But when testing trinkets, it is often very difficult to tell how powerful two different trinkets are, especially ones that are close together.

I know that Bottled Wishes is worth about 700PP when synched with AA/SF/T134p because I can test it in simulationcraft.
Foul Gift of the Demon Lord, by comparison, was evaluated based on its generic stat composition.

I find it doubtful that you could empirically tell a difference between the two trinkets on a dummy. I know from experience and personal testing that BW really is worth about 700 PP. I've used this in single target fights many times in replace of a few other trinkets and gotten comparable or stronge results.

So if you see a difference of 3k to 4k between BW and FG, this is the only conclusions I could make about it:

1. You're executing BW with the T134P rotation poorly.
2. FG is somehow worth far more than listed when combined with the T134P rotation. And/or the proc on FG is synching up perfectly in the first 15 seconds to make the trinket appear far greater than it's worth. This ends up making the trinket worth exploring, and possibly re-evaluating.
3. You haven't done enough testing on the dummy to make a valid assessment of either trinket.

Without testing myself, I couldn't really say which is true. The only Foul Gift I saw in 5m, I passed to a warlock. If I am able to get the trinket in the next few weeks, I'll try to do a little testing with it.

The major problem with Foul Gift, however, is that it is not an "on use" trinket. The two major situations where you really want to synch up AA/SF/T13 is on spine of DW and Hagara the Stormbinder. On a single target fight I can use a mod to tell me about when Foul Gift will proc, and I can time AA/SF/T13 to go with it. However on spine or hagara, I don't have that luxury. As a result this is going to lower the worth of the trinket by default. I'm not completely dismissing the trinket, just saying that if it indeed can be stronger than BW when synched with T13, it will only be valid for fights where the set bonus is not crucial to the strategy.

Also... keep in mind that the two trinkets you really want to be going for are Cunning of the Cruel and Will of Unbinding, and both are most definately better than both FG and BW.

**Xcal** · 2012-02-23, 08:45 PM

Very nice guide, thank you

**Sinn** · 2012-02-23, 09:55 PM

Should I ignore VT haste cap (favoring mastery) on madness since i'll only be missing haste buff on the fourth platform?

**Kilee25** · 2012-02-23, 10:17 PM

If you are chewing glass on it, you can try it. There's a limit to how much haste you can drop, even when you are trying to drop it (40% of whatever is on your gear). I don't think anyone really has problems on madness that can be attributed to dps though, so getting a small advantage on the fight may not make any difference.

**Sinn** · 2012-02-24, 02:58 AM

I tried it today (had ~1740) and it felt meh compared to yesterday (where I had 2590). I'll go with 2590 next week.

**Eldarc** · 2012-02-24, 04:01 AM

Mastery is a great stat for us due to t13 pc bonus but imho it's a little bit overrated. Or haste is a little bit underrated, whatever you like the most.

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