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    Trinkets are still to be discussed since if we are going to end up getting crit from Apparatus then this is going to suck.

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    I disagree with the Neck as I think the Fetish is a better neck and the Bracers are not available @ 391 only 378. Now since haste has dropped nearly .20 from 4.1 due to unknown reasons the 378 bracers look better than 391 Bracers full of Haste. Personally I'm going to continue running sims to try and see where this big Haste drop came from but the list is pretty close to what everyone will use.

    Trinkets are up in there air still but Crit and Mastery are close however I'm getting better results with trinkets that aren't stacking required so maybe we will just swap around a lot.
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    I still find apparatus very weak and after some testings on exemplar's spreadsheet and simulationcraft i'd go with vessel and probably heart of rage heroic if the expertise isn't wasted or pushing it essence of eternal flame heroic. t11 trinkets seems superior though.

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    no tier chest? MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrFeelGood View Post
    no tier chest? MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.....
    That means also that you will go around wearing pants and not a robe.

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    Some people liked the Robe, for your information.

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    I'm totally gonna get robe, no matter the stats!

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    Does anyone here have a sim of 4.2 Ret dps with full BiS equipped?

    Another question: Is 3 sec CS attainable?
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    Pretty sad when being deathgripped is my most reliable gap closer! THAT is some BS too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrFeelGood View Post
    Some people liked the Robe, for your information.
    I didnt made myself clear.The robe for me is what makes t12 imba.Pants are just meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paow View Post
    I'm totally gonna get robe, no matter the stats!
    we dont even have to argue, t12 looks too good!

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    no tier chest, thank god

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    Apparatus Normal /use

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    We're gonna try and keep this all to one thread, so head on over to this thread for the Ret BIS talk.

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