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Grats to stars. Probably the only way could prove to get a world 1st since always behind US And EU.
Gotta love how people talk about clever use of game mechanics. They used a fucking external web service to reset their raid lock. And no, it's not a game mechanic.
First of all, they should congratulated for getting a heroic kill fast. But since we don't know how long they worked on it, we can't say it's the fastest (aka world's first) kill yet. Technically, yes it is, but that's simply because others didn't get the chance to work on it. I'm pretty sure Blizzard wants to keep the competition going between the top guild so they'll remove their kill and possibly ban them. Let's see what happens next reset to see who really deserves that world first FoS.
Abusing the system AND in 25 man. Not impressed.
Also, there is no evidence they fought the actual fight. Once you are caught cheating your actions are suspect. And there is no evidence that they actually did the fight as intended. In fact I lean on believing that they didn't, as the only evidence is a single screenshot. No video, no "proper" screenshot, no statement by the guild itself.
And finally, no one sane has ever said that the current system is fair. But, jumping forward a week certainly isn't either. And this is a guild that bitched over Paragon's non-exploiting Nef kill and Method's clearly unaware-of-bug kill. I find it a bit odd that a guild that runs around telling people to "fight with honor" has no problems taking a cab part of the way down the race.
Not like other guilds didn't faction change in both ToC and ICC to reset their lockout attempts.
Blizzard is constantly creating these situations and yet, people are faulting the guilds and raids for exploiting. If Blizzard had their s*** together and paid attention to these issues rather than putting in new /roar emotes, guilds and raids wouldn't have to resort to these methods.
the didn't gain advantage over other players without others being able to do the same.
that means you can do the same.
every guild can do the same.
it's not exploiting, hacking, etc. w/e you want to call it.
They can just simply say: "hey we just decided to change factions because we like X better than Y."
Deal with it and stop crying.
Pretty sure most of you didn't even down 2-3 bosses anyway...
Stop standing in fire...
Wowprogress is getting us on the nerves, we (as a EU guild) are losing applies therefore fame because people on our server rely on this website to see our progression.
Whilst I don't know what's specified about this issue in the ToU/EULA, this is definitely not mentioned in the Faction Change FAQ. Nothing about dungeon or raid locks are even mentioned there, so it can be presumed that this isn't an exploit by the FAQ's standards. The ToU, of course, could still screw the guild over and Blizzard could simply do them in if they felt so inclined.
Regardless of that, it's still a rather clever move but definitely not something I'd shell the money out to do. It astonishes me that ~25 people would willingly pay a small fee just to get something as trivial as a "world first" in a video game. Is it an achievement? I suppose so, but you don't get rewarded anything for it. You get a few months worth of fame that quickly dies down, and then forgotten about when the next raid comes out.
What's more amusing is the amount of people in this topic alone that feel somewhat "ripped off", as if most of them would have had a shot in getting the achievement in the first place. It's a game. A world first is a nice achievement but at the end of the day, do you really want that to be your life's greatest achievement? If you got paid for it (which, admittedly, some of the top-end guilds do) then sure, go ahead, but most people probably don't.
[e] Oh, and to the people trying to pull this off as "not official" because "Wowprogress doesn't allow it": Wowprogress isn't an official ranking system, therefore the kill count is only "not official" for Wowprogress.
There is no official status for "world firsts", "official" meaning that it's monitored by Blizzard or supported by Blizzard. Blizzard generally don't deal in world firsts, however. The last time world firsts were mentioned was on the old WoW Armory, and this was specifically for defeating end-bosses like the Lich King or Ragnaros, in this case.
Last edited by Xanwryn; 2011-07-01 at 06:56 AM.
http://www.paragon.fi/articles/sneak...naros-firelord there you go.
Considering Ensidia got banned for their rogue using his normal rotation on the Lich King then I shudder to think how this will be viewed. THe simple fact is, as the guy above said, accessing heroics in the first week is NOT MEANT TO BE POSSIBLE. If it was, they would just allow you to do it like in ToC. They don't, and I willl be amazed if there are no repercussions for this.
When you're competing with other people for something you expect their recognition when you achieve something, not recognition from random people who are completely outside the matter. When a guild gets a world first the other top guilds will acknowledge them getting it. That's what matters. Not the million other people who have no idea of what it takes to get where you're at, or the people who think they have some idea but really don't, or the people who don't care at all. Your competition's respect is what matters when it comes to competing, not respect from random people, and Stars likely lost a lot of it from their competition with this move.
This is true for anyone who competes with others for anything. Sports, work, anything in the world, even video games.
Last edited by sicness; 2011-07-01 at 06:58 AM.
my thoughts about this.... 1st why blizzard should care about world firsts? they get paid to let you play, while you pay and dont exploit they should shut their mouth about this things...............2nd if they kill ragnaros first , which i doubt , just do the maths to calculate the day they would kill him if they started next week to know where they would be..........this high end guilds dramas are one of the best things in wow world 1st races