since all out secondary stats effect censure damg except mastery have the trinket ranks changed at all?
I apologize beforehand if this has been already discussed.
I will leave Heroic versions of Trinkets out of this, since I'm not in a guild that advanced (although logically, my question is valid even for the two BiS heroic trinkets - VoA hc and AoK hc).
So, VoA and AoK (with mastery) are supposedly our BiS (be it heroic or normal ones). VoA even works in synergy, building up crit to make AoK get the 5-stack up faster. The trouble I see is this: Having full build-up from VoA [5*77 (*87 at hc) crit] when blowing AoK ---> Will this not take crit up as our best stat and "drop" our AoK trinket down the list below EotEF/HoR/even IoY??
We already know that AoK is valid as a BiS trinket when it procs for mastery and NOT crit. If I'm not mistaken there were a couple of earlier posts on that, regarding Dwyer's Caber having the same trouble (Nice synergistic effect while procced to build up 5 stacks at AoK, but having to cancel crit-"Pumped up" buff (???) before blowing AoK, so that you'll benefit from mastery and NOT crit).
Could there be a similar problem with VoA, or is the -lower than DC's proc- crit build-up buff of VoA not affecting the mastery proc from AoK??
2. H:AoK proccing Crit will not drop it below IoY, it's not possible - the weight difference between Crit and Mastery is not that large.
3. It's up to the player to ensure that you are using AoK to full extent and proccing Mastery from it. Yes, Vessel affects your Crit rating, obviously. All of us account for it before doing reforging.
I'm trying to figure out which trinket i should use with 2 pcs T12, I've apparatus and i will keep it but 2nd choice is not clear because I i read this topic I would use IoY but when I've checked my gear with Mr Robot the trinket to use is LtS .. so i dont know..
Is the new Brewfest 4000 ap proc trinket better than Dwyer's Caber? If I reforge the crit to mastery it seems appealing, but is it worth dropping 340 str for a proc?
So how does the Brewfest trinket stack up against the rest?
anyone worked out the crit/ap trinkets proc rate and icd as without those we can't get a sim of the rating, i would have thought with it's duration and what i can remember from the wrath one it's got an icd of 1 minute and due to the fact it's 4k ap up for 10 seconds then down for 45, it's up for 10/45 giving it an equivalent passive ap of 889 + 204 crit + 136 mastery. with those stats and using the front page estimations formaula wit these weights (SimCraft): Str 2.77, Mastery 1.78, Crit 1.50, Haste 1.16
"Calculation format is always value*[uptime]*weight*coeff, so you can decode it quite easily."
so 4000*10/45*[weight for ap]*[coeff for ap] + 204*1.5*1.15+136*1.78*1.15 = 889*[weight for ap]*[coeff for ap] + 630.3
unfortunately i can't do simcraft for weights at work and i have probably copied workings from front page incorrectly.
however looking forward to where it ranks as i would guess it's the thing to replace your heart of rage for if your not using it's expertise as if you only need 136 of your hearts expertise this 4k ap proc may be superior to the stre proc from rage(normal).
340*1.50*1.15 + 4000*10/50*1.385*1.14 = 1849.62
Yes I forgot about reforging so ya it's a solid trinket. I'm not 100% sure about the AP coeff being 1.14 mainly because I don't have real values for AP until a simcraft finishes running. I think they are going to be more around the 1.20 mark but I'll find out soon enough.
I think you might be overvaluing Essence a bit, it might be good in a patchwerk-fight, but in Firelands its 1min cooldown and fight-mechanics really hinder its effectiveness. After using it for a few weeks, I've noticed that it's really hard to use it on cooldown effectively in fights like Alys if it comes out during Tornadoes, in Beth if it comes out while youre in ground (assuming you are assigned upstairs), in Majordomo if it comes out during cats. in Shannox if youre running after or away either of the dogs or in Raggy if it comes out during transition.
Worst case scenario you either don't use it at all or risk having to push back AW/Zeal for it to come out of cooldown. I switched back to LtS and got a DPS boost immediately out of it simply because I am able to utilize it to full. IoY didn't have the same problem to this degree because it's CD lined up perfectly with AW/Zeal.
I'm kind of busy with Rag during the week, but at Thursday or Friday I will have time to crunch numbers for new trinket.
Use it when its intermediate cooldown comes up, even if you're not hitting something. It lasts 15s. There's no reason to ignore it when the CD comes up between your other CDs.Worst case scenario you either don't use it at all or risk having to push back AW/Zeal for it to come out of cooldown. I switched back to LtS and got a DPS boost immediately out of it simply because I am able to utilize it to full. IoY didn't have the same problem to this degree because it's CD lined up perfectly with AW/Zeal.