holy druids batman!!!
I edited out the majority of your post because its slightly on the wordy side, but I can't help but gather that you've completely ignored the faction grinding and/or dungeon grinding, or both to get resistance gear to even attempt raid bosses. I assume you're leaving out this significant point because you believe that if blizzard removed the "20+" man raids that this would not return. I have a feeling you are wrong though.
Maybe after all the shammy QQ this will undoubtedly generate, Blizz will cave in and buff shamans. Or just continue denying that there is a problem.
"People that play WoW for a living are better than me at the game, clearly this is a design problem and has nothing to do with me not being on their level." That's what most of the replies look like to me.
I usually dont QQ about my class, but after noticing that they didnt use a single shaman, Im rly sad T_T.... BUT!!! I WILL NEVER ABANDON U MY DEAR TOTEMZ!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!!NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!!NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!!NEVER!!!NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!!!
They used 2 tanks for Rhyolith!
How is this Paragon peice newsworthy?
They complain the DPS requirement is lower in 10 and 25, yet they are USED to running 25s! so of course it will seem lower to them!
They also need to bear in mind that 10 Man content is not tuned for a specific setup because most 10 man guilds do not have multiples of classes waiting in the wings to class stack to beat the encounter.
Content is not tuned just for Paragon, they should remember that.
Briga you have no clue... the DPS requirements were already way lower for heroic T11 10man bosses. Just compare WoL combatlogs for easier hardmode bosses and youll see that 10man fights with significantly less DPS will still take shorter. Blizzards new system ist like with T10. Easy 10mans, hard 25 mans but now we have same loot. Thanks for destroying about 75% of all 25man raiding guilds.
10 man encounters not tuned for specific setup? surely 10 slots are hard to fill with specific setup but 25 man guilds surely have 4 raiding boomkins and 5 DKs. Seems to me youre in some 10man guild that is not ever going to clear even the previous content but you need to let everyone know how hard it is to justify your guilds incompetence. Go on please.
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I hardly pay attention to the news anymore but...well goddamn said.
Sidenote: This is kind of why I like Paragon. They give honest feedback on classes while also saying what can be improved about the game. They have the development teams' ear and are using it advantageously for everyone, very fucking unlike Kugen and Ensidia in previous years. I'd honestly resub if I could find the time to enjoy Paladins or Warriors like I want (Or Druids. Or Shamans).
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Like zYn wrote in Paragons forum, if they would ever go for 10 man only, they would surely have 15-16 players with more then 30 chars so they could compete for WF. If you are not able to have such a roster even in a 10 man guild, then you are not giving everything to be the world first guild. And to be honest stacking in 25 man is nowdays even harder then in 10 man for a semi hardcore guild, with a roster of 30 raiding members and everyone having only 1 char it's not that easy to bring 4 moonkins to your raid.
this thing again? ....
10 man are tuned because not every guild can have the almost/perfect setup for the hard modes
25 are tuned on having every buff available and recourses (that's why dps on WOL is always higher on 25 versus 10 man)
so... this shit again? Blizzard make next raid a 15 man one and end all 25 and 10 man and will be over of this same talking over and over and over and over .....
hey will be even better for blizzard if they make only 15 man versions, less work for them tunning 2 modes (and we know that they like doing less work and calculations)
Im not a child and i m not crying,but playing shaman long time,specialy Restoration,but now all can see how paladins are OP,they HPS is really high and 10 man HC modes are impossible without 2 paladins..i think most fights...same is 25 man...is really retarded from blizzard...they push one class as paladin really high and rest as shamans 10000000 feeeeet under them...I can be 2-3 on 25 man with ehaling done but my hps is to low..and you can top your healing only with HR.... Elemental is still to low...enha is ok atm..i think...i m thinking about reroling now after few years playing Sahaman..
Well Im not suprised that there is no resto shaman. I play one and my guild is 6/7 25hc and the only boss they needed me realy for tide and maybe extra CD like SLink wasbeth`tilac. So I don't think really there is a big problem with shamans but FL dps check's are ridicolous. And like Kyylol wrote, the only healer that need mana tide is shaman. Maybe thats the problem dunno , but I don't really care if blizzard will fix it or not coz I miss our fist kills so, please blizz be better with shamans for the next patch.
Hello M8,you are 100% right,there is a huge problem with that aswell,talking about mana..is only for shaman,sometimes help to others but most times is only for shaman.There is low HPS..and Double mana burn..cant imagine HC modes with this..and my gear is almost Hc from BWD...BOT..and some from FL...
Blizz should do something now no in next patch...
Reported as I can only assume you are a troll based on your attitude here.
Nobody ever said you needed 4 boomkins and 5 dks to get the kill in 25 man. Paragon chose that tactic and it doesn't mean the fight is tuned around it. Just as Neffy was not balanced around feral stacking to get the kill. World first guilds are racing to do anything they can to get there first.
Most 10 man guilds out there doing hard modes do not have access to the resources they do. If they did have access to enough classes to class stack, they wouldn't be doing 10 man content in the first place. Also remember this tier comes after the last where it was universally agreed that 10 man HC Tier 11 was way over tuned.
this is why i quit play WoW because shaman are useless T_T
Shouldn't all of Paragon's comments say, 'We feel that...' or 'It has been our experience that...'. Does anyone doubt that they are the most dedicated/skilled guild? No. But their word is not gospel.