I just broke my t11 4 set

[jeankrloo]

Like the title says i broke it and i have problems with reforging.. should i reforge for haste ? or still mastery top stats besides int and gettin hit capped

[Deleted]

13,8% haste if you aren't a goblin.

[Dacien]

Post your armory and I'll run you through SimC real quick

[jeankrloo]

us.battle.net/wow/en/character/windrunner/Je%c3%a1%c3%b1c%c3%a1rl%c3%b6/simple

---------- Post added 2011-07-31 at 12:50 AM ----------

Cant post it right cuz it says i cant do it yet ;/

[Dacien]

us.battle.net/wow/en/character/windrunner/Jeáñcárlö/simple

---------- Post added 2011-07-31 at 12:50 AM ----------

Cant post it right cuz it says i cant do it yet ;/

Oh wow, your on my server! ^^

What's your chars name?
Wait, I see it now

[jeankrloo]

Ye im in Malicious

[Dacien]

Mastery: 1.2351
Crit: 1.2077
Haste: 1.1554


Stat weights are fluid, and will shift depending on your gear (especially once you break Tier 11), but for now you should stack mastery, and drop haste.

[jeankrloo]

How much haste should i need since i dont have the t11 4 set?

[Dacien]

I apologize for overlooking that. When your stat weights popped up, I assumed you had 4pc.

Surprisingly to me, even after breaking 4pc, Mastery is still your best stat. Curious. According to my sim, you should just stack Mastery for now, and de-emphasize Haste.

[pyrostorm9001]

This interested me as I am about to break my 4pt11 as soon as vp cap resets. I loaded up rawr with the gear I would be eventually wearing. Saved and imported into simulation craft.
Simulation craft tells me
4.3846 Int
2.8189 Hit
2.2918 SP
1.2169 Mastery
1.0474 Crit
0.7182 Haste

and with the gear i have on + raid buffs

Int 6190
sp 9364
hit 16.88%
crit 28.41%
haste 16.87%
mastery 17.23

Maybe I missed something but everything I have read about t12 is after breaking 4p11 you need to make up the haste you lost... so what gives?

[Dacien]

I'm running Jeancarlo with full 4pc T12 now, because iirc, the haste superiority didn't take effect until that condition was met. Don't ask me why, but I remember now this happening with my own char. Results should be up in a few minutes, but I expect Haste>Mastery>Crit.

Edit: I'm by no means a SimC pro like another user, Swizzle, so he'd be the best person to provide some input here.

---------- Post added 2011-07-30 at 07:05 PM ----------

Yup:

Haste: 1.3856
Mastery: 1.374
Crit: 1.2435

[pyrostorm9001]

I still dont get it, im dropping the haste from the T11. you would think i would have to make that back up...hmm oh well.

[Dacien]

I still dont get it, im dropping the haste from the T11. you would think i would have to make that back up...hmm oh well.

Perhaps (and this is pure specualtion), the increased valuation of Haste occurrs from the T12 4pc Bonus, in that more casts during the AP burn phase at reduced cost is what actually makes Haste so valuable, and that the loss of Haste as a flat secondary stat loss (equivalent through loss of 4pc T11 bonus) is not the reason at all.

I honestly have no idea. All I know is that my stat weights stay consistent even after the loss of 4pc T11, but after acquisition of full 4pc T12, then my stat weights undergo a significant change.

[Deleted]

This interested me as I am about to break my 4pt11 as soon as vp cap resets. I loaded up rawr with the gear I would be eventually wearing. Saved and imported into simulation craft.
Simulation craft tells me
4.3846 Int
2.8189 Hit
2.2918 SP
1.2169 Mastery
1.0474 Crit
0.7182 Haste

and with the gear i have on + raid buffs

Int 6190
sp 9364
hit 16.88%
crit 28.41%
haste 16.87%
mastery 17.23

Maybe I missed something but everything I have read about t12 is after breaking 4p11 you need to make up the haste you lost... so what gives?

read my first post in this thread.
why is everybody ignoring it.

13,8% haste.
above it's extremely downrated

[Dacien]

read my first post in this thread.
why is everybody ignoring it.

13,8% haste.
above it's extremely downrated

Jeancarlo is nowhere near that. I wasn't at soft haste cap either after dropping Tier 11 4pc, and I experienced the same phenomenon. This might be a subject more suited for it's own thread, though I probably won't be making one.

[JP1o]

13.8% haste, is that with NP? or 13.8% haste from gear + NP?

[venie]

Just a heads up you lose alot of DPS changing from t11 4p to t11 2p /// t12 2p ( if theyre 372)

[nsupra27]

Just a heads up you lose alot of DPS changing from t11 4p to t11 2p /// t12 2p ( if theyre 372)

Yeah, only if you have heroic T11. Going from 4p T11N to 2p T12N is actually an increase in DPS, although not a huge increase(for me around 400-500dps).

[pawsitive]

I still dont get it, im dropping the haste from the T11. you would think i would have to make that back up...hmm oh well.

it's not an issue of making up the haste, it's making up the dps lost from dropping a bonus worth ~1300 haste. You shouldn't be dropping the 4pc bonus until you're gaining an increase worth ~1300 haste rating. You can take that in whatever form works, 350 int.... 200 int + 600 various ratings, etc...

[Orgasmatron]

13,8% haste if you aren't a goblin.

i'm goblin, so how much haste required ? and can u give me numbers