[Megathread] Wildstar - Now F2P

[Edge-]

If you don't want to provide feedback, that's your choice. You're choosing now to do everything in your power to improve a game before it comes out.

Have you had any experience with in-house/alpha testing? I'm curious, because you speak as if you you have so I'm wondering why your experiences would be different from mine and that of friends I know.

[papajohn4]

Oh I agree that the Open Beta is pretty much just marketing nowadays. However, I'm talking about the Closed Beta's. I spent over a year in WAR's Closed Beta.

I just thought that close beta is for the very few (in-house/"professionals") . By saying open beta I also meant when they sent mass invites (even if they still call it closed beta, is like open beta..). Anyway I don't want to argue about it, you probably know better.I never was in a close beta for a long time...

[Elim Garak]

If you don't want to provide feedback, that's your choice. You're choosing now to do everything in your power to improve a game before it comes out.

I will provide all the feedback via metrics and in-game polls.

Have you had any experience with in-house/alpha testing? I'm curious, because you speak as if you you have so I'm wondering why your experiences would be different from mine and that of friends I know.

I work in the game industry for 10 years now. Not as a tester, as a game-designer, so yes I know a lot about of professional testing

I also would like to note that verbal feedback post-launch is important, from people who play the game seriously and know a lot about it (also metrics are somewhat toned down on live servers), not like during beta test - when people see the game for the first time and have no clue how it works and how to play it properly.

Also another issue. Technical bugs/optimization issues on PC due to different configurations - these bugs are real, and beta testers help find them. These should be reported.

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I just thought that close beta is for the very few (in-house/"professionals") .

The key word is beta. Everything beta is not strictly in-house. Closed or open. Alpha is in-house with friendsa and family members giving feedback on how the game feels, how UX is, etc.

[Delanath]

So explain to me how this just happened with SWTOR...since they are 'people who work in the industry and also play in the industry'. So while you say it won't happen, it just did happen with another company. Additionally, they have invited special people to little parties where they get their input on the game and so on. Seems a lot of trouble to go to if they don't plan on listening.

If you can prove to me that SWTOR was going to have LFG features or other QoL features that were taken out at the customers behest and not because the game was planned in that intital stage then you may be onto something. Can you do that?

The QoL features like a cross server dungeon finder are being practically protested by people on their *official* boards. Once again I point at SWTOR, where the same thing happened. Hopefully these guys know to not listen to their 'fans', because they really just want to be special snowflakes in a sea of secial snowflakes in a world of a rapidly failing MMO that had better dare not take any pointers from WoW.

No, they haven't given any official comment on payment models. But just like people are rallying against the good features, the same people are likewise rallying to demand it be a subscription only because "F2P and B2P games suck".

The majority of people want it. Look no further than the recent gamut of games that came out lacking it, but eventually implemented it. Carbine has even said that the game will be released with it. The vocal minority over at WSC won't get what they want in this because it's too popular of a feature. Same with multiple levels of elder game gameplay; it's going to be there because it's too popular.

[ShimmerSwirl]

If you can prove to me that SWTOR was going to have LFG features or other QoL features that were taken out at the customers behest and not because the game was planned in that intital stage then you may be onto something. Can you do that?



The majority of people want it. Look no further than the recent gamut of games that came out lacking it, but eventually implemented it. Carbine has even said that the game will be released with it. The vocal minority over at WSC won't get what they want in this because it's too popular of a feature. Same with multiple levels of elder game gameplay; it's going to be there because it's too popular.

I saw something on reddit where one of the devs said the team is relooking at the lfg thing.

As far as the multiple levels of raiding, thats not happening. Already been confirmed 20 and 40 man are entirely separate raids, each with 1 mode.

Why is everyone so eager to transport every single aspect of wow into this game? Let it be its own thing.

[Delanath]

I am not remember a single post in vanilla/TBC about "when they will release new raid?" That way there was not dailies or dailies that added much later was only for money and not as a way to progress.

There may not have been dailies per se, but the rep grinds kind of took the place of them. Like someone said just a few posts back, there was a lot to do during vanilla because everything took so god damn long to make headway with. I just leveled a monk from 1-90 in 2.5 days playtime, how long would it have taken me back in vanilla? 5 days if i was lucky and it wasn't my first toon.

The other way is t ocreate an easy content that everyone will see. But if people complete the content too fast why to keep subbing?The answer was the dailies...we will give them easy content that everyone can do but we will put it with dailies..

I think blizz is on the right track currently by slowly releasing the LFR content. It's going to keep people around longer, and they'll eventually see the end of this tier. The people who only do LFR wont have an achieve for it, they won't get recognition outside of 502 gear sometimes, those will be saved for Normal and heroic mode guilds.

What you ask is utopia..no one will give easy content without make it keep for very long(dailies). Now you have to chose, you either want a challenge and you can try to beat that challenge or you want something easy but you have to login every day to push the button. either way, you will not "finish" the game before the new gear comes in...The only game that you can "finish" is GW2 and in my opinion is the reason why is B2P

I don't understand what you're getting at here. Could you rephrase it?

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I saw something on reddit where one of the devs said the team is relooking at the lfg thing.

As far as the multiple levels of raiding, thats not happening. Already been confirmed 20 and 40 man are entirely separate raids, each with 1 mode.

Why is everyone so eager to transport every single aspect of wow into this game? Let it be its own thing.

As in not putting it in? I must've missed that. The only thing that I saw regarding this in the AMAA was them repeating that LFG will be there for launch. Do you have a link?

Also, adding in things that work from other games is the nature of the beast. That's how you gain legitimacy in many customers eyes. If you don't include certain things that are popular in the genre you run the risk of not gaining acceptance. The trick, as we all know, is to be unique while maintaining enough similarity that people want to try you out.

[Mmoplayer111]

They do want verbal feedback in MMO's, Metrics cannot tell them everything, otherwise why would they put in the option to provide verbal feedback in game?

In any case Elim, we know you are the king of lies you cardassian you!

[ShimmerSwirl]

One of the devs posted the info about single raid modes on a WSC thread.

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They do want verbal feedback in MMO's, Metrics cannot tell them everything, otherwise why would they put in the option to provide verbal feedback in game?

In any case Elim, we know you are the king of lies you cardassian you!

That reminds me...does anyone else get the feeling the Cassians are sort based on the Cardassians? In ST, humans and Cardassians are similar in a lot of ways, both at similar levels in technological advancement, but the cardassians are big have that same arrogant attitude that was shown in the Dominion video.

[Delanath]

One of the devs posted the info about single raid modes on a WSC thread.

Not what I'm asking about. You said, "I saw something on reddit where one of the devs said the team is relooking at the lfg thing." I took that to mean they were thinking about not doing it since everything they've said thus far has been that they're super excited about that feature. Did i misunderstand?

That reminds me...does anyone else get the feeling the Cassians are sort based on the Cardassians? In ST, humans and Cardassians are similar in a lot of ways, both at similar levels in technological advancement, but the cardassians are big have that same arrogant attitude that was shown in the Dominion video.

I made that comparison about ... 15-20 pages back

[ShimmerSwirl]

Not what I'm asking about. You said, "I saw something on reddit where one of the devs said the team is relooking at the lfg thing." I took that to mean they were thinking about not doing it since everything they've said thus far has been that they're super excited about that feature. Did i misunderstand?






I made that comparison about ... 15-20 pages back

Where are you drawing 'super excited' from? Their announcement was one line simply saying that the feature existed.

If you read this you can see they are still working on the specifics of the lfd, mainly the cross realm part.

http://www.reddit.com/r/WildStar/com...ing_on/c8v1inl

[Razael]

Game is still so far away yet and this thread is lively as ever. Looks good , looks good.

[Loaf Lord]

Seems like the first full blown light hearted and comical mmo I've seen. Will be a refreshing change of pace... not that there's anything wrong with with dark and gloomy story lines.

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Although I do hate how I have to choose between rag tag do gooders or moustache twirling villains.

[Delanath]

Where are you drawing 'super excited' from? Their announcement was one line simply saying that the feature existed.

If you read this you can see they are still working on the specifics of the lfd, mainly the cross realm part.

http://www.reddit.com/r/WildStar/com...ing_on/c8v1inl

It was one line with an exclamation point! That means something Actually, I thought I remembered either seeing or listening to someone from carbine say they were excited about the LFD feature. After searching for it for a bit and being unable to find it I have to admit that maybe I misremembered it.

Also, thanks pointing out that whole part of the conversation i missed. Was never a big fan of reddit because it's too easy to miss pertinent info like this. I like the idea of being able to implement a button to enable cross-server matching, it would allow people to choose. And lets face it, some servers may not be able to sustain a decent number of active people so it would be the only way they could get into a dungeon.

[Immitis]

Game is still so far away yet and this thread is lively as ever. Looks good , looks good.

isnt it supposed to come out this year?

[Deleted]

isnt it supposed to come out this year?

which could be considered as "far away" to some.

[SirRobin]

/beginnightmare
News Flash: California

Carbine Studios has announced today that it has hired John Riccitiello to run development for its MMO, WildStar Online.
/endnightmare

[Kelimbror]

isnt it supposed to come out this year?

8-9 months is a long time in the game world man.

[Immitis]

8-9 months is a long time in the game world man.

eh guess im just used to games being announced years in advance

[SirRobin]

We have not had any delay announcements yet eight and I'm used to getting at least one of those per.

[Edge-]

eh guess im just used to games being announced years in advance

Well, it got announced in 2011, so 2011->2013 is two years, so it's still in the right window : P