[Megathread] Wildstar - Now F2P

[unholytestament]

Er..alright..and your point was.... ? (because you know Avatar has them as well)?

Either way, reply to the point or don't reply at all. You're not even disagreeing with any of the points I'm making, so how can you disagree?

I quoted a specific area for a reason. Did you not read which area that was?

Naruto doesn't handle themes better. It's sloppy and all over the place. It has too many characters who serve no purpose and take up too much screen time.

And side characters can be killed off to make the characters grow, but the immense number of them that seem to exist for no other purpose than to die lends more to them being cannon fodder so the main characters are never at any real risk.

For the record, Shonen is about a boy under the age of 15, which would make it more than pre-teen. Once more, I'm talking about why the developers would suggest that Naruto is a mature/adult show.

Those two sentences contradict each other. It's in a magazine for pre-teens/teens, yet the developers suggest it's a mature/adult show?

No. It isn't.

[Vespian]

I quoted a specific area for a reason. Did you not read which area that was?

Naruto doesn't handle themes better. It's sloppy and all over the place. It has too many characters who serve no purpose and take up too much screen time.

But I never mentioned anything about the themes you mentioned. You are rambling about main and side characters and filler content in the anime. I can't even disagree with the filler content, because you're right. So how come we're even argueing about this? At least stick to the point.

Just because it was released in Japan as Shonen (up to 15y), doesn't mean that the show couldn't have received a mature rating in a country where blood or death is not allowed in kid series. Once more, and for the first time I'm going to use the word fuck in this topic, once more, read my previous fucking posts or stop being someone who is just trying to win an argument that doesn't exist, based on how they think the argument should go. I could have fit all of that in one word to describe you, but it would have been rude.

1. Blood + death = M rating in many countries. (pretty much like any kind of nude-ness is immediately rated M in US)
2. You fail to read. Again.

[unholytestament]

But I never mentioned anything about the themes you mentioned.

And I have been talking about its theme in a general sense as well as the show's layout that lends a great deal to disrupting what little it has going for it in the first place.

For someone preaching reading comprehension you're exhibiting a very poor grasp of it yourself.

Just because it was released in Japan as Shonen (up to 15y), doesn't mean that the show couldn't have received a mature rating in a country where blood or death is not allowed in kid series.

Country of origin means everything when it comes to the intended audience. It is ridiculous to believe otherwise.

[Vespian]

And I have been talking about its theme in a general sense as well as the show's layout that lends a great deal to disrupting what little it has going for it in the first place.

For someone preaching reading comprehension you're exhibiting a very poor grasp of it yourself.

Country of origin means everything when it comes to the intended audience. It is ridiculous to believe otherwise.

I was going to talk about cultural differences and how it actually matters alot since we are talking about perception and not just one single raw statistic, but I have come to the conclusion that you are an angry person and we seem to have run into our own cultural difference. Hence, I'm going to, well..give up..in a way. Which I wouldn't do if I'd be unbannable, because I'd wipe the floor with you without ever uttering a curse or profanity, but this is not that place.

One more thing though. About the lay-out and the "general theme". While having an opinion is never wrong. Having it wrong, still means your opinion can never be supported by any solid argumentation. If you can lay out for me why the general theme is wrong and why it matters that some characters disappear from the show (which I only noticed during the Chuunin exams, where the woman that got "abused" by Orochimaru was never mentioned again) and who all those other characters that mysteriously disappeared are, maybe I can understand what point you are trying to make, in relation to the fact that I merely mentioned that I could see, why they specifically, explicitly, mention, that they've taken some emotional elements from Naruto (and Full Metal Alchemist).

In fact, I think the statement they make, in itself, is just being made by fans of anime in general. They give examples of which they think, that the general public can relate to, instead of picking an oddity like Gantz, where death, blood, family, bravery, loss, and all those other things get mixed really well, but are never viewed by the grand public. Just as you seem to insist on making a "general point" about the "general theme" however unrelated, I'm also just trying to convey, that they made the comment as a generalization and were looking for people to relate.

And once more, I can relate, to why they decided, probably ad hoc, to mention FMA and Naruto.
- And in no way am I saying it was a brilliant move. Quite the opposite, but that's mainly due to the rabbid dog reactions such as yours and a few others.

[unholytestament]

I was going to talk about cultural differences and how it actually matters alot since we are talking about perception and not just one single raw statistic, but I have come to the conclusion that you are an angry person and we seem to have run into our own cultural difference. Hence, I'm going to, well..give up..in a way. Which I wouldn't do if I'd be unbannable, because I'd wipe the floor with you without ever uttering a curse or profanity, but this is not that place.

"I was going to say something and then I realized it wouldn't work so now I'm going to go completely off-topic and make veiled personal attacks.

I am blissfully unaware that this foray off-topic is hypocritical since I was telling you to stick to the point earlier."

One more thing though. About the lay-out and the "general theme". While having an opinion is never wrong. Having it wrong, still means your opinion can never be supported by any solid argumentation. If you can lay out for me why the general theme is wrong and why it matters that some characters disappear from the show (which I only noticed during the Chuunin exams, where the woman that got "abused" by Orochimaru was never mentioned again) and who all those other characters that mysteriously disappeared are,

Are you asking for me to clarify specific instances (all while validating that they do happen) right after I said I was talking about the themes in general?

And you're the one who was questioning my reading comprehension?

maybe I can understand what point you are trying to make, in relation to the fact that I merely mentioned that I could see, why they specifically, explicitly, mention, that they've taken some emotional elements from Naruto (and Full Metal Alchemist).

I never said anything about WildStar. I was pointing out how stupid it was you parading Naruto around as a gloriously superior show to "Avatar the windblower thing".

Again, how did you see fit to question my reading comprehension when your own is laughable?

[Lilscrappy]

Although it looks awesome, I'm sorry to say Star Wars will outsell and outnumber it 10 to 1 for its entire life cycle.

Bad news, but the truth.

[Vespian]

"I was going to say something and then I realized it wouldn't work so now I'm going to go completely off-topic and make veiled personal attacks.

No what I said does not only work, it also holds true. Which is important, because that makes your argument invalid. Japan has very loose standards concerning mature content. Full Hentai nude is even displayed on billboards on the streets and hardly anyone (besides a political party recently) makes the water ripple about it. Fact is, that my country, or yours, or the US, if that's not yours, would rate it "child pornografy" and probably illegal. Now, if you still insist that it doesn't matter as long as the Japanese rating is "Shonen", than go ahead, I've made the point several times now and so far the only one actually avoiding the questions and only answering to the little stabs, with your own little stabs, is you.

I am blissfully unaware that this foray off-topic is hypocritical since I was telling you to stick to the point earlier."
Are you asking for me to clarify specific instances (all while validating that they do happen) right after I said I was talking about the themes in general?

I validated one occurance of which I'm aware. I also never denied that it ever happened. "Talking about the themes in general" is that like talking about art, without ever really touching the essence, out of fear of being assaulted on the details? You can go ahead and say Naruto is bad, but what else is there, than mere opinion? Just like it's my opinion that Avatar is first of all not anime and second of all quite a degree worse in both story and progression, which can be split in physical and emotional progresssion. That's an opinion, which was meant to make the difference between a real kid series and something slightly more mature clear. Instead, it seems I've made the mistake to assume that all people would agree, since obviously Avatar is quite worse.

Naruto around as a gloriously superior show to "Avatar the windblower thing".
Again, how did you see fit to question my reading comprehension when your own is laughable?

I'm not misreading you. I'm still referring to the fact that you said "I strongly disagree" and then proceeded to disagree with things that I never mentioned. I'm not sure whether you ever followed some debates, but it generally makes you look like a fool if you try to make a point saying that hamburgers are bad, while the whole debate was about seal clubbing. You simply missed the shot and are still trying to recover. You made your first actual point about what I originally said in this specific quote, stating that you disagree with me "parading" Naruto above Avatar. And frankly, yes I do. I'd rather choose a few different anime to compete, I think even Pokemon is better, all seasons of it, but Naruto will suffice.

[Olgierd]

NCSoft involvement gives me pause. They aren't exactly stellar.

The trailer looked very Disney... in fact, more like Tangled than Naruto or FMA. All the visual cues were there... the proportions that were off just-a-lill-bit, the voices, the color palette. Hell, I almost expected the purple furry girl to be barefoot like Rapunzel, and the "rogue" dude looked like he was recycled directly from that cartoon.

I'll reserve judgment until I see the gameplay, but right now it looks like "silly lighthearted action", and frankly fuck that if it's what it turns out to be.

[Vespian]

NCSoft involvement gives me pause. They aren't exactly stellar.

I'd agree with you in the blink of an eye if they didn't have Guild Wars ,or ArenaNet which has Guildwars.

[unholytestament]

Full Hentai nude

You're going to have to clarify what specifically you mean by this. Graphic nudity is not legally allowed in non-adult content, much less in public.

Not that that has anything do with what's being discussed...

Now, if you still insist that it doesn't matter as long as the Japanese rating is "Shonen", than go ahead, I've made the point several times now and so far the only one actually avoiding the questions and only answering to the little stabs, with your own little stabs, is you.

What point is that? That Japan has different standards than the rest of us? Good for you. I didn't dispute that. But Naruto is for pre-teens in Japan. And since that is where it is made and pre-teens is their intended audience, it is a show/comic for young boys.

I mean, what are you trying to prove here? Because it qualifies as a higher rating in a country that it wasn't made in or for that makes that older audience in that country the intended audience?

"Talking about the themes in general" is that like talking about art, without ever really touching the essence, out of fear of being assaulted on the details?

Funny, seeing as how you made no such effort to defend your attacks on Avatar.

Am I going to keep getting accused of doing things you have already done?

You can go ahead and say Naruto is bad,

I have done no such thing.

Again, where do you get off questioning my reading comprehension?

I'm not misreading you. I'm still referring to the fact that you said "I strongly disagree" and then proceeded to disagree with things that I never mentioned.

So you did not in fact say "It hardly strikes any real core in its emotional themes and all of the above that you mentioned are done in Naruto and usually twice as good as well." in response to a list of themes given by maldias?

[Marston]

Played the 40 minute demo at Gamescom.

It is quite funny and has a few nice ideas, like avoidable attacks that you can "see" a few seconds before the enemies attacks you with them (but not all are avoidable, so you can't take no damage - unlike Tera, where you can solo bosses without taking any damage, because you can avoid or block all their attacks). With the, let's call them "subclasses", you get bonus missions. As the soldier, for example, you will find small areas from time to time that you have to defend for a certain amount of time/a few waves of mobs. There are also chests and quests all over the place - something I am missing in WoW since Wrath.

It could be quite good, but that were only 40 minutes of gameplay. It was fun, yeah, but Aion was also awesome until you reached level 18 and had to start grinding mobs, because you simply had no quests.

[myrddinde]

Maybe a tiny bit or a huge proportion has been inspired by Naruto. But in the end it is their own unique, iconic style and there is no reason to fight over it If you can't see "lol this is a plagiate from naruto" what does it matter? I bet over all the discussion about a single word, you have not even bothered to read the whole article where they got their inpsiration from, only the small part I quoted. In such a summary you can't quote pagelong stuff, you have to pick a few lines to feed the hungry maws
It is not western, it is not pixar (maybe the intro, but the game?), not a manga ... it is Wildstar, its own Brand!

[Vespian]

Maybe a tiny bit or a huge proportion has been inspired by Naruto. But in the end it is their own unique, iconic style and there is no reason to fight over it If you can't see "lol this is a plagiate from naruto" what does it matter?

Yeah, when I woke up this morning, I was like, we've been arguing about bloody opinions, hence we're never going to come out of it I think I'm just going back to on-topic and refer from comparing anime. It seems not all people share the same ideas.

[myrddinde]

Yeah, when I woke up this morning, I was like, we've been arguing about bloody opinions, hence we're never going to come out of it I think I'm just going back to on-topic and refer from comparing anime. It seems not all people share the same ideas.

Yeah! Don't mind discussion at all :-) It is jsut as you said 2 opinions that can't ever find a consense and they don't have to ... after all we learn, even as kids, that you can't really argue about taste. The moment when I cam to realize that was when we were visiting the tallest trees in the USA. I was getting out of the car, "omg omg, how fucking awesome" but my friend was just "there isn't much to see but a lot of wood" It made me realize when 2 people look at the same thing they see somethign completely different. It is the same here, I think wildstars style looks quite amazing, could not care less how they actually were inspired

By the way Carbine Studio is on the way to pax now!

@Ark_Ship: The Ark Ship is officially on course for a destination called we've designated PAX. Join us if you're willing to help.

[myrddinde]

here is a nice youtube video of jeremy gaffneys explaining player paths:

[Vespian]

I'm a bit concerned about the lack, or seeming lack, of character customization....

[Hraklea]

...what made World of Warcraft work is still important – polish, balance...

The game looks really cool, but it's hard to believe that a game company that thinks WoW is balanced knows anything about game design.

[myrddinde]

I'm a bit concerned about the lack, or seeming lack, of character customization....

What is there to be concerned about? If release was imminent, ok ... but do not forget, the game is in pre-alpha! They plan on having as much characterization as any other game, there will be character customization, etc.

The game looks really cool, but it's hard to believe that a game company that thinks WoW is balanced knows anything about game design.

You have to look objective at things, the longer a game exists the harder it is to balance. If you are the master of balance, which is the game with more content and more balance you are talking of?

[Sapho]

I'm a bit concerned about the lack, or seeming lack, of character customization....

Give them a break. I mean, this game could believably be 3-5 years away from release. I'm sure they'll polish a lot in that time.

Though I get the feeling they're maybe aiming for a much shorter public development period, hence the stealth-mode for so long. Just a feeling though.

[myrddinde]

Carbine has arrived at PAx, hopefully more information soon!