1. #5841


    Beta rap found :P

  2. #5842
    Quote Originally Posted by nooty View Post


    Beta rap found :P
    But where is the beta.... key? Only echoes of emptyness in my mailbox =(
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    http://pastebin.com/wQc55pUP Dev - Round Up from reddit

    fighting same mobs over and over again - make them fun gain
    You do comment on the number of varied mechanics each mob has which leads me to another update I'd like to make. We have recently booted up a new team called the "Creature Combat" team. This group of developers will be focusing exclusively on creature abilities from now until the end of time. Their job is to take each creature model we have and build a variety of creature combat kits that are then supplied to the Encounters team for placement in the game.

    For example, right now we have one Dagun Kit. Anytime you see a Dagun in the world, it will do the same abilities as every other Dagun in the world. Usually the abilities are gated by difficulty, so it may seem like we have a few Dagun kits, but in reality, there is only one. This leads players and developers experiencing what we are calling "Telegraph Fatigue". This is where you get tired of seeing the same telegraph over and over. You go to a new area, see a new Dagun, but you already know what it's going to do before you fight it. This is all "Telegraph Fatigue".

    The creature combat team got ahold of the Dagun and now we have a wide range of Dagun kits that the encounters team will start sprinkling throughout the world. Populating a snow filled area like Whitevale? We have a kit for that. It even has ice themed attacks and buffs! Maybe you're creating a pack of Dagun. I'd advise you to grab the Dagun Packleader kit and group it with a few of the Bloodseeker Dagun kits, they really work well together. The Packleader will do things to improve his pack's fighting capabilities such as channeling an interruptable spell called "Frenzied Howl". While the Packleader is howling, all of his cluster mates will get a very noticeable Critical Hit chance buff. Meanwhile the Bloodseekers are are trying to take chunks of your flesh and if they are successful, they will happily eat this chunk of flesh and heal themselves.

    This is just the tip of the iceberg. Soon, you will be experiencing mechanics that we call SRE's internally. (Special Random Event) These happen very infrequently. They are designed to keep you on your toes. We usually like to use these along with our Crowd Control system we call "Breakout Gameplay"

    For example, you may be fighting a Dagun Bloodseeker kit one day, going through your normal rotation when suddenly the Dagun leaps into the air and knocks you flat on your back. The next thing you know is that Dagun is powering up a telegraph that is going to hit right where you are laying. Good thing we have Breakout Gameplay -- just roll out of the telegraph and back to your feet and get out of that telegraph decal.

    Fun stuff, right?

    Going forward the Creature Combat Team has several goals:
    Expand the variety of abilities our creatures have to prevent Telegraph Fatigue
    Example: Instead of the one Dagun kit, we now have dagun for all kinds of situations and environments. No longer will that boss Dagun have the same abilities as the field of Dagun outside. Heck, that field of dagun will probably have multiple kits now too!
    Keep our overworld PVE experience fresh and exciting
    Example: Special Random Events (SRE's) that create infrequent "oh crap" moments that the player has to respond to and changes up their play pattern.
    Give players reasons to use the tools their chosen class gives them
    Example: Bloodseeker Dagun heals itself when certain flesh eating abilities - abilities that reduce healing become really useful for fighting these.
    Example: Dagun Packleader is channeling a crit buff like Frenzied Howl - abilities that reduce the amount of damage you take become useful, or you could stun the packleader and trigger a MOO.
    Quest progression responsing to enemy strenght:
    One of the system's we're considering is to correlate your quest progression directly with the difficulty of the mobs you choose to kill. For example, instead of "Kill 10 vinds", a tougher vind would grant more quest credit than an easier vind. Spend more time on a bigger mob, and you'll be rewarded more. Want to rip through a ton of easy mobs quickly? You'll be rewarded less quest credit per kill, but you'll also kill more mobs faster.
    And something i found, dunno if its breaking NDA:
    Spells cast by the [snip] can generate Echoes. Echoes are passive buffs that affect the functionality of the [snip]'s spells. The more Echoes an [snip] has for a given element, the more powerful that element's effects become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    I don't care about the mechanics and vagueness of how the first stress test failed. Just give me fucking information about the game.
    I get that point of view, but I think since things broke in an unexpected way (a way which would have been a huge deal during actual launch) I would classify the first stress test as a great success. I'd would have been more worried if everything had gone off without a hitch because that means they weren't pushing things nearly hard enough and problems are hidden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Drew View Post
    Why people keep going into W*W expecting an E3 type announcement everyweek is beyond me.
    E3 type? Yea that sounds about right since they didn't show anything new at all for E3 lol. I can see why they aren't saying a whole lot considering all the big changes they are still making to the game. 2013 seems incredibly unlikely at this point. Addons don't really have anything to do with the game itself either. They basically said "we like and encourage addons". Any developer should really, considering it's free content for their game. How many people would quit WoW right now if you got rid of addons? The tens of millions of downloads suggest it would be a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghier View Post
    2013 seems incredibly unlikely at this point
    I agree...but they were pretty adamant. Especially since they say they are working 2 CBT behind in terms of updating documentation. Though it also means they make changes very quickly. I get the overall impression they are very knowledgable with their engine and programming capabilities are above average compared to some other companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghier View Post
    E3 type? Yea that sounds about right since they didn't show anything new at all for E3 lol.
    That was just a figure of speech. The point is, there's no reason for people to get so impatient, the game is months away.

    I wouldn't root out 2013 release yet, though. We don't know how far along in high level content development they are, it may very well be that they are already finishing it up and preparing for testing.

  8. #5848
    I imagine the next big information output for them will be at Gamescom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozerjun View Post
    I imagine the next big information output for them will be at Gamescom.
    This. There are so many things they haven't talked about yet and with the game less than a year off launch(hopefully) all the information will come streaming out in one go as Carbine stop iterating through their CBT's. I expect we'll see the new races and classes officially announced at Gamescom even though everything is already out there if you want to find it.

    I want to hear more about elder games though, everything said so far as got me more and more excited about it. Certainly going to appeal to the TBC/Vanilla type player, can't wait.
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  10. #5850
    They're gonna be at comiccon the 19th with new info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShimmerSwirl View Post
    They're gonna be at comiccon the 19th with new info.
    Perhaps we'll get a new devspeak video?

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    Gief class reveal!

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    Got all my eggs in this basket. This game's gotta be great, because nothing else is worth playing right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wdmshmo View Post
    Got all my eggs in this basket.
    Quote Originally Posted by wdmshmo View Post
    nothing else is worth playing right now.
    After carefully reviewing your statement, I quoted the problem areas. As any wise grandmother knows, putting all your eggs in one basket is the sure path to failure and disappointment. Additionally, there are several games worth playing, but it might take a reevalution of how/why you play games/mmos.

    I don't mean this disrespectfully, but I had a similarly narrow view some years ago and it took opening up a bit to realize the possibility for maximum enjoyment from a plethora of games. Be it indies on Steam or F2P MMOs, there are a lot of games out there worth playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wdmshmo View Post
    Got all my eggs in this basket. This game's gotta be great, because nothing else is worth playing right now.
    My eggs are in the EQNext basket. They at least are talking about doing new things. I have the worst fears for Wildstar that it will be another transient jaded post-WoW game that gets dropped in a couple months by the majority of players.

    I was hyped for Wildstar for a month or so but the more I hear about it and things like hard factions make me worry that they lack creativity/conviction to make something more than a flash-in-the-pan mmo

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    Quote Originally Posted by hailey View Post
    I was hyped for Wildstar for a month or so but the more I hear about it and things like hard factions make me worry that they lack creativity/conviction to make something more than a flash-in-the-pan mmo
    I would love to hear reasons that support the idea that they lack creativity and/or conviction. Even stating that makes it sound like you haven't read about or watched anything they've put out about the game.

    Whether you like what they are doing or not isn't up for debate, nor would I judge you in that, but your statement implies a lack of knowledge about their actual doings and pretty much anything about the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hailey View Post
    My eggs are in the EQNext basket. They at least are talking about doing new things. I have the worst fears for Wildstar that it will be another transient jaded post-WoW game that gets dropped in a couple months by the majority of players.

    I was hyped for Wildstar for a month or so but the more I hear about it and things like hard factions make me worry that they lack creativity/conviction to make something more than a flash-in-the-pan mmo
    Wildstar isn't doing what a lot of MMOs tried to do over the past few years. Most MMOs tried to make something new, a hook for new players. They tried to add features to the genre features like invasions, voice acting, cut scenes, storytelling, vehicle combat, housing, ect ect ect. The features that were successful were picked up by WoW within a year or two, removing the new MMOs claim to uniqueness.
    Wildstar seems to be doing what WoW has done for 8 years. They are taking a ton of features that over games have innovated and bundling them into a single game. It's a good strategy, business wise, because you basically allow other people to do the R&D for you, for free, and you just make improvements to it by simplifying the UI or adding a few things.

    (Basically, being creative is risky. There's tons of features spread across many MMOs that could use refinement and incorporation. Wildstar doesn't have to reinvent the wheel to be successful.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardarian View Post
    (Basically, being creative is risky. There's tons of features spread across many MMOs that could use refinement and incorporation. Wildstar doesn't have to reinvent the wheel to be successful.)
    And being creative isn't solely tied to invention, or even innovation. Sure, they can play a role, but implementation is often where creativity shines. Knowing how to fuse together other ideas into a cohesive, 'new' concept is sometimes an artform.

    It's pretty much what Apple has profited on since the iPod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittyvicious View Post
    And being creative isn't solely tied to invention, or even innovation. Sure, they can play a role, but implementation is often where creativity shines. Knowing how to fuse together other ideas into a cohesive, 'new' concept is sometimes an artform.

    It's pretty much what Apple has profited on since the iPod.
    ^

    And so it's 100% clear, I think refining features is absolutely necessary for the genre. It increases standards and results in future MMOs being better.

    Rifts housing, for example, many people found it unwieldy. Now, it's an amazing feature that deserves praise but, for broader appeal, wildstar simplified it in their design to make it so more people could enjoy it.
    GW2's player designed arenas, not sure if it's out yet (haven't checked) but Wildstar is going to have player designed battlegrounds with traps and mobs and bosses ect. They added a bit more to it because they know how people are going to enjoy fiddling with the metagame, particularly high end PVPers.
    The ability system allows you to have combat like WoW or GW2 or NWO depending on which abilities you equip (and which addon you use) reaching a broader range of players. They didn't make a new system, just made it so you can have multiple systems.
    I mean, not to go too far into any NDA stuff but it's pretty clear that their goal is to start with what works and make it better.

    I suspect that this game will have some staying power (not 10 million players but still a good player base. Maybe 750k-1.5m?)
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  20. #5860
    I don't know I think they are doing a few things which are pretty new. The biggest one to me (ok yes I am biased because I love this concept I admit it) is the whole concept of circles. I know no one has talked about that in awhile but I haven't really seen anything like that in any other MMO.

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