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    Astral Alchemist Stone vs Engine of Eradication

    Which trinket is better for which situation? They both have similar proc. I couldn't find any sites that recommends alchemy trinket over engine but when i look at the mythic maiden logs most of the first ranks use the astral alchemist stone.

    Question : I have a 915 Engine and 935 Astral Alchemist Stone which one should i use ?

    Armory : https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ch...ether/carelnir

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    Sim yourself.

    https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...UdD9CYF8oHn4hT

    Very slight upgrade.

    They're essentially the same trinket except Engine is going to be better at equal ilvls because of mastery.
    Last edited by athanasios; 2017-10-09 at 04:44 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by athanasios View Post
    Sim yourself.

    https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...UdD9CYF8oHn4hT

    Very slight upgrade.

    They're essentially the same trinket except Engine is going to be better at equal ilvls because of mastery.
    except mastery isnt really better than versa
    they're both about equally good and their value depends on how much you got on each

    https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...JjNAHAjsotjM9f
    and this is with versa gems and enchants on everything, so if i had mastery i'd basically be the other way around

    the maiden trinket's usually better simply because of the ridiculous uptime it can have
    Last edited by shaunika123; 2017-10-09 at 10:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    except mastery isnt really better than versa
    they're both about equally good and their value depends on how much you got on each
    Funny how much stat weights can vary. I checked out your link and see what you mean. Who would have ever thought that vers > agi? lol

    Otoh, here are mine from the same source:

    Mastery 27.34

    Agi 25.50

    Vers 24.97

    Crit 24.94

    Haste 13.34

    So go figure. As they say, ymmv.

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    @Blayke vers goes up if you use specter, glaive, vial or any trinket with a damage proc/use. since vers increase the damage those trinket effects do, mastery only increase finisher damage.

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    When I sim my Rogue, the result goes from losing 400 dps to gain 800 dps (915 EoE vs 935 Stone).

    I would suggest Stone for simplicity sake, not only because you don't have to worry about picking up orbs which means you can focus more on mechanics, also because there are fights where you cannot pick up the orbs from Engine if it proc at unlucky timing. Unbound Chaos from Avatar, the jumping shark from Mistress, to name a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nothingsjim View Post
    When I sim my Rogue, the result goes from losing 400 dps to gain 800 dps (915 EoE vs 935 Stone).

    I would suggest Stone for simplicity sake, not only because you don't have to worry about picking up orbs which means you can focus more on mechanics, also because there are fights where you cannot pick up the orbs from Engine if it proc at unlucky timing. Unbound Chaos from Avatar, the jumping shark from Mistress, to name a few.
    there are no unpickable orbs
    only rogues that are pussies

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