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...you just don't see the Wrath of Tarecgosa procs from an arcane mage since they don't use DoTs. Normal spell procs copys the spell and as such you cant see them directly on WoL since they'll have the same name... you sir need to know what you're talking about before badmouthing others
You do tend to gain a little with shield and MH due to the fact that sometimes (only sometimes) A staff may not have a socket and/or you can have two enchants with MH + shield i.e. power torrent and +40 int.
Food for thought I suppose.
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I challenge you to find a top dps parse without all the extra buffs thrown at the one person.
Edit: I can't confirm whether 2nd and 3rd had the staff at the time of their parses. However it's confirmed that Guac did have his for that parse.
Don't forget a staff has less stats than the MH+OH combination.
Stam - 730
Int - 576
SP - 2786
Secondary 1 (Hit) - 314
Secondary 2 (Haste) - 271
MH + OH (Rag Hammer + Red Widow Shield):
Stam - 696
Int - 534 (this includes the OH enchant)
SP - 2786
Secondary 1 (Spirit) - 324
Secondyar 2 (Haste) - 264
All of the above Intellect scores are assuming you put a 40 Intellect gem in each Red slot.
Legendary staff is BiS, we all know that. Time we leave it alone, it cannot be used to compare to epic quality weapons.
From most comparisons I have seen staves have the advantage with more stats, until you get to rag hammer and shield then it takes the lead.
Rag hammer + shield > staffs > mh/shield
This is for normal modes, and I could be wrong easily.
in general, 1h+shield is going to be better than a staff, assuming similar ilvl and itemization.
Check this out:
If you add it up, you'll see they have identical secondary stat values (albeit in different categories)
But because of the off-hand enchant, you get an extra 34 intellect with the shield.
Another thing the shield provides is 12k armor + 5% chance to block - i.e. 25% ish less physical damage taken, plus a 5% chance to reduce that further. That's a big deal any time you take physical damage.
So all things being equal, staff < MH/shield.
But of course... ilvl trumps this. A 378 staff is going to be better for pve than even a 372 MH/shield combo, especially with the right secondary stats.
And the legendary goes without saying.
Personally, I'd nab a chelley's and wait for the shield to drop from beth. Beth is one of the easier bosses in there, plus you're not going to have much competition for it, and the shield is very well itemized.
I don't get stressed out over gear. If it will benefit me I'll use it, but if I know I'm going to replace it then I'll just pass to the person who will be using it longer than I would. I'll wear MH + shield over a staff if the stats are similar because shields look cooler and some armor is better than no armor.
The misguided notion that Elemental Shaman shouldn't use shields comes from one of the following three sources:
1. Loot-whores who don't want competition on Staves
2. People who have learnt from people in category 1 (i.e. they believe it without thinking about it)
3. People who think that a 1h/shield is more "Shamany", if such a thing even exists.
If it's an upgrade, use it. If you prefer the looks, use it. If not, don't. Simple.
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I will use whatever gives me the most desirable stats. If a staff drops and its an upgrade to what I have MH+OH, I'll roll on it (keeping other raiders that can use it in consideration of course).
Last edited by KCee; 2011-08-30 at 11:43 AM.
In a perfect world scenario where all the gear of relevant ilvl is freely available to you, i am sliiightly tempted to believe a 1h+shield is better, just because you get extra 40 int from the OH enchant AND powertorrent ontop of that.
Now sticking to that combo is by no means necessary. If a staff is a pretty substantial upgrade then by all means go for it.
P.S. I miss the old days of 2handed int maces. Those were the good days i tell you
Staves seems to be easier to get this tier than anything else. I think I will be grabbing a Shoravon instead of waiting for a Kogun and ultimately a Dragonwrath. There were some bias in WoTLK as only shields could have a spellpower enchant on it so the difference between MH + Shield vs Staff is even bigger than it is now.