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    Horde Is Enhancement a trully bad class like most of the ppl clain?

    Hi, i just leveled a Shamy and of course Enchancement. I actually had fun with it. Why ppl say it's a bad class? Expecially on pve? I would like to know if it's worth making it my main with Legion in mind?
    Cheers and tks for the comments guys.

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    First of all, enhancement is fine for pve. It reaches a much better damage level than the alternative Elemental at an earlier stage in gear, there are numerous fights in HFC which benefit Enhance mechanics and it is still a good source of utility for any raiding team.

    Secondly,

    Outside of Seasons 5-6 Beastcleave, Enhance has NEVER been more used or useful in pvp. Able to hold its own in virtually any one vs one and a powerhouse when partnered with a warrior and healer for Turbo cleave.

    It is no longer a given that Enhancement is a "purge bot" only useful for supplementing it's partners damage nowadays as Enhance has scary damage of its own.

    There is absolutely no grounds for calling Enhancement bad in patch 6.2.23

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaught View Post
    First of all, enhancement is fine for pve. It reaches a much better damage level than the alternative Elemental at an earlier stage in gear, there are numerous fights in HFC which benefit Enhance mechanics and it is still a good source of utility for any raiding team.

    Secondly,

    Outside of Seasons 5-6 Beastcleave, Enhance has NEVER been more used or useful in pvp. Able to hold its own in virtually any one vs one and a powerhouse when partnered with a warrior and healer for Turbo cleave.

    It is no longer a given that Enhancement is a "purge bot" only useful for supplementing it's partners damage nowadays as Enhance has scary damage of its own.

    There is absolutely no grounds for calling Enhancement bad in patch 6.2.23
    Sounds nice, i liked it because i had fun with it. It's a fun class and spec!

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    Enhancement used to be my favourit class/spec in the game through WotLK in Cataclysm, however, i didn't like the changes they made to the spec in WoD. It seemed like they added too much focus to lightning bolt in WoD, to the point where it was "sometimes" benefecial to hard-cast it. Atleast that's the impression i got during the WoD beta, witch scared me off from the spec. I loved the spec because of the ligntning-fast attacks, always having something to push, and the utillity the spec had during early Cataclysm, like being able to help the healer out with heals, and off-tanking with earth elemental, feral spirits, and that totem i can't remember the name of. Things that seemed to be removed somewhere during MoP or WoD, i'm not entirely sure.

    I don't know how the spec plays at high gear levels atm, but it seems to be going somewhat back its roots in Legion. Atleast so it seems from the small amount of footage i've seen so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garkanh View Post
    Enhancement used to be my favourit class/spec in the game through WotLK in Cataclysm, however, i didn't like the changes they made to the spec in WoD. It seemed like they added too much focus to lightning bolt in WoD, to the point where it was "sometimes" benefecial to hard-cast it. Atleast that's the impression i got during the WoD beta, witch scared me off from the spec. I loved the spec because of the ligntning-fast attacks, always having something to push, and the utillity the spec had during early Cataclysm, like being able to help the healer out with heals, and off-tanking with earth elemental, feral spirits, and that totem i can't remember the name of. Things that seemed to be removed somewhere during MoP or WoD, i'm not entirely sure.

    I don't know how the spec plays at high gear levels atm, but it seems to be going somewhat back its roots in Legion. Atleast so it seems from the small amount of footage i've seen so far.
    Well i think it's a filler actually that you hit when you got all the 5 stacks maybe i was wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeiAggra View Post
    Well i think it's a filler actually that you hit when you got all the 5 stacks maybe i was wrong
    yes, lightning bolt used to be like that. but atleast from what i saw and experienced in early WoD, hard-casting it as 4, or even 3 stacks, was sometimes better.

    edit: this was very ealy in WoD, before Highmaul even opened up, so again, i have no real input on how it is at higher gear lvl than 630.
    Last edited by Garkanh; 2016-02-26 at 11:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garkanh View Post
    yes, lightning bolt used to be like that. but atleast from what i saw and experienced in early WoD, hard-casting it as 4, or even 3 stacks, was sometimes better.
    humm ok i'll shall reflect on this hehe ok tks i will see if it compensates

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeiAggra View Post
    Hi, i just leveled a Shamy and of course Enchancement. I actually had fun with it. Why ppl say it's a bad class? Expecially on pve? I would like to know if it's worth making it my main with Legion in mind?
    Cheers and tks for the comments guys.
    enhancement is op as fuck on alpha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cFortyfive View Post
    enhancement is op as fuck on alpha.
    O.o ok so i will play BM Hunter and Enhancement shammy on legion
    What do you think as races for horde go? i made mine a Orc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cFortyfive View Post
    enhancement is op as fuck on alpha.
    because untuned alpha numbers are clearly representative of what we will see on live /s
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cFortyfive View Post
    enhancement is op as fuck on alpha.
    Alpha.

    Tuning hasn't happened yet.

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    Enh was bad at the start of WoD, but atm it's actually quite good. Single target was way too low early on - much how Ele is now. Enh and Ele have swapped places over the duration of WoD.

    Enh is decent in any situation, amazing in AoE
    Ele is Useless single target, as AoE is a single target increase - Earthquake needs a change to make it buffed in single target - or ST dmg needs a flat buff and EQ needs a nerf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cFortyfive View Post
    enhancement is op as fuck on alpha.
    Which means they'll be the worst when Legion is launched.

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    Yeah dont hold your horses for legion because of alpha. Every new update on alpha cuts down stuff and damage from enhancement atm.
    WoD start shaman enha was TERRIBLE, it was the first time for me, and i play enhancement in raids since tbc, that i felt frustration and disappointment.
    I was left out on two target bosses for progress, i used all talents and glyphs on many bosses to see if i had a significant edge somewhere. Thats in highmaul

    However at BRF and now HFC enhancement is really competitive.

    As it happens always it seems, they balance specs and damage output on the highest gear on every patch or worse case expansion! and they never care what happens at the start of it. Some other specs have it worse (warriors, spriests..)

    Enha had a very loyal minimal fan club that remained loyal throughtout the expansions however the core gamestyle (spam those buttons with priorities and situational changes ) changes completely in legion. I can't say i hate it but it definitely is different and i don't know if i will master it easily. I think this will apply to other old enha raiders.

    Enha beats ele in many boss fights and ele beats enha in some. However Elemental single dps is really not good. Enhancement is average.
    BUT it all comes down who plays the spec and who plays the competition. Not every rogue can beat you for example in single dps
    Not every lock can beat you in AoE, although aoe has many different scenarios. targets that last long and are over 3-4 you are god, ele is similar
    Targets that die after 5seconds and before 10 you have an edge, if the comes in waves you win warriors too. If targets die before 5 seconds then you stack haste gear, dump mastery and hope to fit in a 3rd fire nova before they die :P

    And so on. I was using 2 sets of gear, one with mastery all over and one with haste prioritized 100%. The mastery gear gave me some 99% ranks on kormrok :P but the faster the raid was becoming and with more aoe raiders the less the mastery gear was op. In the end i use full haste gear to manage and squeeze more fire nova in few seocnds the hands are up.

    Many small details make a spec good or op, you just have to find them. Enha is awesome, as ele, has hugeloads of utility, windwalker totem at mannoroth mythic and on gorefiend, grounding totem on xhul, interrupts at socrethar from range and so on.

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    Can anyone let me know of a good video where it explains how to play enhancement at a good level and all the tricks? Tks guys for all the feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeiAggra View Post
    Hi, i just leveled a Shamy and of course Enchancement. I actually had fun with it. Why ppl say it's a bad class? Expecially on pve? I would like to know if it's worth making it my main with Legion in mind?
    Cheers and tks for the comments guys.
    I main enha shaman in PvE, got 13/13 mythic and I am doing really good, it is a good class and better or equal to most other melees. Now in legion beta I have tried enha shaman and damn they are fun and OP AoE and single target burst AND dmg.

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    Yeah but let's wait for the damage balancing

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    Both Elemental and Enhancement are at the bottom of simDPS. Enhancement is decent though since their burst is above average, even good sometimes if you double proc soul cap (compared to eles burst which is always shit, no matter how lucky you are). And since some bosses die in 30-1min now (with good groups), their dmg gets a bit skewed on paper.

    Would definitely say there is almost no reason to pick an enha shaman over a rogue currently.

    As for Legion, no point in commenting on it since numbers are hardly even close to final.

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    Idk if you're looking for a verbose opinion from someone with experience here, but let me give you a quick run down.

    Enhancement is a good spec that has some versatility in concept but is still very over-specialised in the AoE niche it was given in WoD. This is less apparant now as DPS requirements have been lowered and the need to game mechanics hard to get early progress kills have pretty much disappeared (this is something that anyone outside of the world top 150-250~ will not experience, and is a flat out requirement in the top 10-50).

    Whilst it has a lot of tools to deal damage in different ways, and it outperforms its theoretical simDPS because of how wildly variable the trinkets used by Enhancement & gameplay optimization is, it is not "at the bottom" as many say. At the same time though, it has a ceiling that it will not out-perform; there are things you can do, and things you cannot. Enhancement sits in a pool of DPS classes that it can do things far better than others, and will be average on others, therefore, it's not a bad class now, people saying that still are just simply echoing the original progress opinions in which objectively they were right, it could not do what was required to game HFC mechanics.

    As an added point, the spec is significantly benefitted by the short kill times currently which also put the spec in a better light than it realistically is during progress. I'd say Enhancement is mid-low pack generally, but has time to shine and a very good player can exploit a few mechanics to put it toward the top of the mid level overall, circumstantially.
    Last edited by wordup; 2016-02-27 at 03:07 AM.

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    Enhancement and Elemental shaman are actually pretty strong at high ilvl, especially when their is 3target+ but yeah obviously not the best specs in single target.

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