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Last edited by Pendulous; 2013-03-04 at 01:48 AM.
Last edited by Skelington; 2013-03-04 at 01:59 AM.
What do you mean "if this is all you can come up with"? It's blatantly obvious. The fact that you people want to believe otherwise does not alter the reality of the matter.
Last edited by Ryve; 2013-03-04 at 01:43 AM.
Ho-oh is also one of the pokemon coded in the first game. It being solid gold in the anime doesn't mean much of anything.
Death would be a welcome embrace.
I'd highly doubt Ho-Oh of all being planned for the first batch, given Moltres meant there was already a legendary Phoenix style Pokémon.
At the time, they wouldn't have known how big Pokemon would become. It could have vanished into obscurity before Ash ever collected the Kanto badges. I think you will find once it had an established fan base they were able to start planning ahead - if the chances of getting there are looking bleak, the budget won't allow for those kind of man hours. As for Gastrodon, I can only assume they'd hit the "lame" looking Pokemon budget for that generation, so decided to hold it back for next time. But it's pretty obvious that by now if they're planning on releasing another 100 or so Pokemon in the next 2 gens, that they'd have the budget to have the creative team/artists working on it.
Ho-Oh being solid gold was probably to emphasize its status and because the Pokémon wasn't known to others yet. Pokémon like Girafarig, Ampharos and Ho-Oh were supposed to be in Pokémon Red, but was cut, sketches from the designers goes to prove that. I think it was something like 180 Pokémon that was planned to be in the game, but was cut for whatever reason.
Edit: Here's an interview, apparently there were 190 Pokémon originally:
"So at the worlds this year I decided to ask Shigeki Morimoto, the guy who made Mew, about it. Since I asked him at the autograph table, where he would have his translator, I didn't have long so I can pretty much outline the exchange as this:
Me: "So in Red and Green, were there originally exactly 190 Pokémon?"
*Translator relays to Morimoto; he sort of jumps in his chair enthusiastically (lol) and seems very happy, grinning at me*
Translator: "Yes; we decided to save the rest of the designs for later"
Me: "So for example Ho-Oh was made for Red and Green first? Since it was in the first episode of the anime?"
*he hears Ho-Oh and looks confused, then then when the translator says the rest to him he remains the same*
Translator: "No, not Ho-Oh. He wasn't made earlier."
And then I say domo arigato and get rushed out by the queue building behind me, heheh. However what he said about Ho-Oh just doesn't make sense so I'm guessing that was an error in the translation. Since Ho-Oh is #49 in the list and appears in anime episode 1 it obviously had been made by that time so he probably tried to say Ho-Oh wasn't made for Red and Green, and was just in there with no real intention of keeping it in."
And some of the sketches I talked about:
So that's Girafarig, Chikorita and Qwilfish if anyone is wondering.
Last edited by MasterOfKnees; 2013-03-04 at 01:50 PM.
Death would be a welcome embrace.
Yeah like someone above said. They already thought of way more than 151 Pokemon when the first game came out. But they could only fit 151 in the game. They basically ran out of space.
Just throwing this out there
The list is data-mined from the original games that shows there were 190 pokemon in the original game yet 39 of those data entries were deleted and traces of them that still existed in the original game became missingo.
All of those 39 removed from the original game appeared as gen 2 pokemon, Ho-oh is listed there as number 52.
It was also confirmed by one of the developers that 190 were created for the original game, finally I believe one of the developers stated that they often deal with hundreds of different pokemon designs but they are forced to draw the line at one point and some pokemon do not make the cut, though they do often save designs that they liked for later games.