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    Quote Originally Posted by Liebchen View Post
    Man it would really suck if the movie was without SSJ3 Goku, Mystic Gohan and Gotensk.
    Didn't they say the movie's timeline would be between Buu Saga and GT? Meaning there HAS to be SSJ3 etc...

    There may be two reasons:
    1. The Poster isn't canon with the movie or fake... if it isn't fake they might show people in standard SSJ/SSJ2 forms because these forms are much better known to the mass-audience (nearly everybody from 16-26 years knows what a SSJ is, but only geeks know SSJ3,etc).
    2. The Movie isn't canon at all... they say it is after Buu saga, but because noone cares they make a DBZ movie just with SSJs just for the looks.

    I would like this movie to be at the peak of DBZ's powerlevels. I also want to see the other Z-Fighters win some fights.
    Remember Saiya-Jin saga... Vegeta and Nappa landed, but at first their minions were fighting with the lesser Z-Fighters. Giving a fight to Yamcha&co, but Piccolo and Tien were able to kill them easily. Then Nappe came and only piccolo was able to do any kind of damage to him. Then Goku came and did the rest.
    Or Frieza Saga... Piccolo and Vegeta always were able to at least kill lieutnant of frieza and pushing him to further transformations.

    I really want to see Piccolo back in action, at least killing some stronger minions. In the end Mystic gohan should finally have his victory over an important bad guy.
    I'm pretty sure we will see its real, as there are now multiple scans.

    I'm pretty sure we'll see SSJ3 Goku as he is a already a figure made for the movie.
    I think mystic Gohan will be explained why he doesn't do it anymore, hopefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iadamson View Post
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    I think mystic Gohan will be explained why he doesn't do it anymore, hopefully.
    I'm more hoping that it was just a colossal mistake that they showed him as a SSJ than that they'll explain why Mystic is gone.

    Of course, I don't really believe I'll get it my way, but hope is the last to die.
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    i guess they will show it as an alternate transformation style? i dunno i hope its fixed. I mean people love the blonde

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    I agree, I would love to see Ultimate Gohan, and this just be a mistake, but there appears to be too many precursors to GT within just the movies advertisements.

    Although if you remember Wrath of the Dragon, Gohan is shown powering up to his Ultimate form, so perhaps Gohan can go this form its just not shown for the same reasons SS3 Goku isn't shown. (Which I assume SS3 Goku will be in it for sure)

    Also it may be difficult for advertisers to distinguish base form Gohan and Ultimate Gohan on just one poster, so maybe it was just left out of advertising.
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    So, more DBZ math. I went to a math instructor to figure out if I could make some headway on a certain problem. Specifically, I'm trying to figure out, for any given power level, how fast in MPH a character can move. The long and short of it is I don't really have a solution yet, and given the current data, it may be impossible. But I now understand how to solve the problem, and what I need to do so.

    With a power level of about 950, Goku moves across Snake Way at ~245 MPH. With a power level of 8000, he moves across Snake Way at ~13018 MPH. This is the simple stuff, basically just division based on how much time each journey took him. These numbers aren't exact, but it's close enough for me to not care about splitting hairs. I wanted to see, if based on this information, if it's possible to figure out MPH for any power level.

    The math instructor said that this basically has to be graphed. Since it's clearly non-linear. The problem is, with just the points (950,245),(8000,13018) it's not possible to graph. Because obviously, those form a straight line, so you can't see how the line will curve, which means you can't determine a function for it. I could probably get a somewhat accurate third point for a power level of 5, since that is equal to the speed that an average person could run, but I was told many more points would be needed. The instructor speculated that it could be a natural logarithm, which would make it PL=y07050k but the instructor noted that is a huge assumption and is just as likely to be entirely wrong as it is to be accurate.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

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    In some cases speed is separate from power level.

    Idk if this applies but Trunks increases his power level to that greater then Cell, but loses speed.

    Also Burter is the fastest member of the Ginyu Force but does not have the highest power level.

    There may be some correlation between power and speed but I don't think you'll ever find something concrete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iadamson View Post
    In some cases speed is separate from power level.

    Idk if this applies but Trunks increases his power level to that greater then Cell, but loses speed.

    Also Burter is the fastest member of the Ginyu Force but does not have the highest power level.

    There may be some correlation between power and speed but I don't think you'll ever find something concrete.
    Well, Burter was the self proclaimed fastest member of the Ginyu Force. There's little evidence to support that claim. Especially since Goku was so fast Burter couldn't even see him when he moved, even without powering up. Yet Captain Ginyu kept up with him pretty well before he used the Kaio Ken.

    And Trunks was a special case. Specifically, that was the product of the Ultra Super Saiyan form. And his power level was not even close to Cell's no matter how you slice it. Perfect Cell was just toying with him.

    And in every other case in the series, the fighter with the higher power level has had the speed advantage. Goku even mentioned this as a significant measurement for overall power in the Cell Games. When he was trying to convince Gohan that he's stronger than himself, Goku asked Gohan if there was any point where he couldn't follow Cell and his movements. It's not just a correlation, the two have been shown to be virtually interchangeable.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

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    many of you have the star wars complex, you're judging the show while forgetting that it was made for kids

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    We all know how this fight would turn out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yyil View Post
    many of you have the star wars complex, you're judging the show while forgetting that it was made for kids
    It's actually not made for kids, more of teenagers. Many of the scenes are too mature for kids shows, (people getting cut in half) and show too much blood.

    That's not the point though. I don't care if it's made for adults, teens, or 2 year olds, I will never give up DBZ math. It's a way of life for me. I'm not forgetting anything.

    Also, random thing. I've been watching the Buu saga, and right now I'm up to the point where Kid Buu shows up. I noticed something kind of odd during Vegito's fight with Super Buu. Super Buu conjured a huge ball of energy, after which he said that whenever he destroys a planet he absorbs a tiny bit of its energy, and that this energy ball is the culmination of eons of destruction. That can't be right though, because Buu was born in the 5 million before age, and a few years later he was sealed in his ball and then Supreme Kai killed Bibidi. Even more strange, Old Kai knew who Buu was, despite being sealed in the Z sword more than 65 million years before Buu was born.

    I looked up the definition of the word eon, and it either means an infinite period of time, or 1 billion years. So no matter how you slice it, the DBZ universe is not even 1 eon old, yet Super Buu claimed to have been causing destruction for multiple eons. Continuity error? Possibly. It's also possible we understand Majin Buu's origins even less than I thought.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

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    old kai knows everything maybe similar creatures existed in the past

    I mean he knew what ss4 was and didnt give a shit how strong it was


    then again he may just be an old guy who does not give a shit about anything

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    Maybe buu just isnt very good at math. He can't have it all :P

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    Well, we already think that "galaxy" means something different in this universe, we can maybe assume "eon" means something different as well.

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    Laurcus, your first mistake was assuming the Buu saga makes sense to begin with. It doesn't. We have people that are so powerful in candy form that Buu transforms them back because they are somehow easier to fight with arms and legs. I'm at the same place you are, trying to force myself to finish.

    Also, go Goku! Kick Superman's ass.
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    Buu was created by Bibidi, right? Maybe he was created via use of an ancient creature's remnants (fossil, etc), and instead of it being a brand-new creature, Buu was just "reincarnated." This could explain the time differences, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow-cleave View Post
    Buu was created by Bibidi, right? Maybe he was created via use of an ancient creature's remnants (fossil, etc), and instead of it being a brand-new creature, Buu was just "reincarnated." This could explain the time differences, I guess.
    that could be a possibility

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    dat awkward moment when dabura exposes ur love
    More like Dabroa

    Quote Originally Posted by yyil View Post
    many of you have the star wars complex, you're judging the show while forgetting that it was made for kids
    Japanese kids. American television standards require you to neuter a show before it can go on cable tv without being on at some ungodly hour.
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    I dunno some american t.v shows have some dark elements

    in transformers animated..... ratchet suffers through a very accurate portrayal of PTSD, Bubblebee falsly accused wasp of being a spy leading to wsp being imprisoned/tortured/abused for millions of years leading to hizzzzz innnzzzaannnniitttiiizzzzzzzzz, Starscream has clones based off aspects of his personality with the girl one being "dont ask"

    dont even get me started on prime..... that show is dark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    It's actually not made for kids, more of teenagers. Many of the scenes are too mature for kids shows, (people getting cut in half) and show too much blood.

    That's not the point though. I don't care if it's made for adults, teens, or 2 year olds, I will never give up DBZ math. It's a way of life for me. I'm not forgetting anything.

    Also, random thing. I've been watching the Buu saga, and right now I'm up to the point where Kid Buu shows up. I noticed something kind of odd during Vegito's fight with Super Buu. Super Buu conjured a huge ball of energy, after which he said that whenever he destroys a planet he absorbs a tiny bit of its energy, and that this energy ball is the culmination of eons of destruction. That can't be right though, because Buu was born in the 5 million before age, and a few years later he was sealed in his ball and then Supreme Kai killed Bibidi. Even more strange, Old Kai knew who Buu was, despite being sealed in the Z sword more than 65 million years before Buu was born.

    I looked up the definition of the word eon, and it either means an infinite period of time, or 1 billion years. So no matter how you slice it, the DBZ universe is not even 1 eon old, yet Super Buu claimed to have been causing destruction for multiple eons. Continuity error? Possibly. It's also possible we understand Majin Buu's origins even less than I thought.
    Whoa.

    Dude.

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