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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    Well, I'm not really basing most of my stuff off power levels from scouters. A lot of it is character statements like Goku saying that Vegeta got at least 3 times stronger from training in the Time Chamber, or Goku saying that General Rilldo is 5x stronger than Buu.

    And I do understand that some people feel power levels are irrelevant, but one thing I've tried to demonstrate with my blog, (I replied to you in the comments btw, basically saying the same thing) is that the Death Battle guys dismiss power levels out of hand and then use them by proxy via including Super Saiyan multipliers. I truly don't see a difference in practical theory between Goku getting 50x stronger through a transformation, as opposed to to getting 6x times stronger through training. And I feel that even barring power levels, they failed to include verifiable non-transformation related power increases.

    Also, it's kind of difficult to justify GT Goku being just as strong as Cell saga Goku, when one got demolished by Perfect Cell as a Super Saiyan, and the other demolished Super Perfect Cell in base form. I just feel like they don't ever look at the big picture.
    they picked and choosed what they wanted. not the end result. they used all of the most recent superman info

    and picked and choosed from goku

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    as for the next abridged I cannot wait. we got 2 things between 30 and 31

    so they are not being lazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    *snip*
    I'll reply on SA; no point doing it in both places methinks.

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    Laurcus, Your knowledge of DBZ is scary sometimes O.o

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    Guys.


    How much calories do Saiyans need to maintain themselves daily?

    I know it must be an immense amount but... yeah.

    Guessing around 20k per day or more?

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    Hey, if we want to go all out for DBZ calculations, why don't we just use the high end feats for Superman as well? Surprise, surprise the Death Battle didn't even use the highest examples of Superman's power!

    Off the top of my head Superman has withstood the energy required to destroy a quarter of our entire galaxy, managed to hold a black hole in his hands and even escaping the gravitational pull of two collapsed black holes!

    With regards to strength, Buu Saga Goku had issues with 40 tons. Taking the 4000 multiplier for SSJ4 and increasing his power by 100 (extra training since then then) for the heck of it we still only equate to 16 million tons. Hardly a threat to Superman.

    Edit: Sorry forgot to mention, highest Superman speed feat that I am aware of is Earth to Alpha Centauri in 5 seconds. A bit ridiculous I know.
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    Off the top of my head Superman has withstood the energy required to destroy a quarter of our entire galaxy, managed to hold a black hole in his hands and even escaping the gravitational pull of two collapsed black holes!
    On the other hand LSSJ Broly destroyed whole galaxy which in DB universe=quarter of the universe and Broly is a fly compared to SSJ4 goku. Am i missing something here?

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    why dont people ever look at how fast gotenks was to get a feel for gokus speed? he flew around the world quite quickly after fusing the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arvidor View Post
    On the other hand LSSJ Broly destroyed whole galaxy which in DB universe=quarter of the universe and Broly is a fly compared to SSJ4 goku. Am i missing something here?
    Fun fact, Broly never destroyed a Galaxy. This is never stated in the movie. If you referring to the scene where a galaxy disintegrates then a couple of problems present themselves. No type of blasts are ever depicted and the whole problem of scale presents itself. How did light reach the point of view so quickly? Where did all the matter and energy go? Why do we not see big booms? All of this combined with the statement by King Kai that the South Galaxy is under "attack" obviously means that the scene is meant to be taken symbolically. Plus Goku teleported to the South Galaxy, how would he have been able to do that if the entire galaxy had been destroyed?

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    well I watched that movie a long time ago so i may be wrong. But this article from DB wiki seems to support what i said:
    With the exception of a few planets, the South Galaxy is destroyed in Age 767 by Super Saiyan Broly (while under Paragus' influence by his mind control device) before the events of Dragon Ball Z: Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan.

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    My question still has not been answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolkingler1 View Post
    Guys.


    How much calories do Saiyans need to maintain themselves daily?

    I know it must be an immense amount but... yeah.

    Guessing around 20k per day or more?
    based on how much goku eats

    has to be 100k a day

    he eats tons of those fish
    bowls of food
    meats
    steaks

    all in 1 sitting

    and those re big mother fuckin fish


    btw i think this is why we have no examples of saiyan twins. saiyans with very large families. or saiyans as a massive population. even on the home planet i think they didnt number all that much.

    def not enough food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenny View Post
    Hey, if we want to go all out for DBZ calculations, why don't we just use the high end feats for Superman as well? Surprise, surprise the Death Battle didn't even use the highest examples of Superman's power!

    Off the top of my head Superman has withstood the energy required to destroy a quarter of our entire galaxy, managed to hold a black hole in his hands and even escaping the gravitational pull of two collapsed black holes!

    With regards to strength, Buu Saga Goku had issues with 40 tons. Taking the 4000 multiplier for SSJ4 and increasing his power by 100 (extra training since then then) for the heck of it we still only equate to 16 million tons. Hardly a threat to Superman.

    Edit: Sorry forgot to mention, highest Superman speed feat that I am aware of is Earth to Alpha Centauri in 5 seconds. A bit ridiculous I know.
    Goku wasn't powered up for the 40 tons scene, essentially making it an invalid showing. Goku's strength is based on his ki. In fact I wrote a good sized blog on that very scene a couple of months ago. I would totally link it but Screwattack isn't wanting to load up for me. Basically though, there's no ki aura, so Goku wasn't at maximum strength in base form. We literally have no idea how strong he was at the time. His power level could have been 40 or 40 million and we'd never know. Goku's striking power is also not equivalent to his lifting strength anyway. If you want a visual example of Goku's striking power being ki related, watch DBZ episode 66, and listen to Vegeta's explanation of Goku elbowing Recoome.

    Superman never held a black hole in his hands. It was a synthesized mini black hole, and it wasn't actually ready yet, the thing was starting to open and he held it closed in his hands, which is a bit of an unquantifiable feat, as we don't know how much energy a partially opened mini black hole was capable of putting out. The other feats I'm not familiar with off the top of my head, but I'd need context.

    And as of this point, I haven't brought up the highest showings of DBZ characters either. Like Broly blowing up a galaxy. There's also Elder Moori's statement in episode 159, where he says that Semi-Perfect Cell "possesses enough bio-energy to destroy the entire universe". And there's Suber Buu, who would have literally destroyed the entire cosmos, (physical dimension +heaven/hell etc) if Vegito didn't stop him. And that wasn't with any kind of special attack, it was a basic application of ki. And as much as Death Battle would like to tell you that the mathematical principle of Transitive relation is invalid, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation it's not. And Super Buu is a mook compared to GT Goku.

    Also keep in mind, the strongest version of both characters were not used for Death Battle. No Superman content before 1986 or Superman Prime 1 Million, and no post time skip or Dragon Ball absorption Goku.

    Coolkingler1, I would say it depends on their physical activity. I'm no food expert, but I'm fairly sure some of their pig out sessions exceeded 20k calories by a shitload. As for how much they need, I think that's also variable, depending a lot on if they're fighting.

    Broly destroying the South Galaxy is hotly disputed. I personally believe he did, as there would be no cause for alarm if he was just going around destroying a few planets. That sort of thing happens all the time in other quadrants of the universe, and it's usually none of King Kai's business. It's likely that Broly left some planets intact so that Paragus could execute his plan, hence the area that the movie takes place in being intact. Even if he left 100k planets alone that would still be less than 1% of a galaxy, let alone a quadrant of the universe. I think the rest of the inconsistencies can be attributed to animators not having a solid plan for how to animate a galaxy ending.

    Edit: Link to my other blog about Goku's physical strength. http://www.screwattack.com/news/goku...sical-strength
    Last edited by Laurcus; 2013-01-12 at 11:57 PM.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

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    Power level arguments and not over 9k posts yet. I'm disappointed >.>

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolkingler1 View Post
    Guys.


    How much calories do Saiyans need to maintain themselves daily?

    I know it must be an immense amount but... yeah.

    Guessing around 20k per day or more?
    Has to be at LEAST 30k

    In a lot of scenes it looks like he has around 30 plates/bowls of food when he eats. Never seen anything crazy like 100 plates, but probably around 20-50k cals a sitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzo View Post
    Has to be at LEAST 30k

    In a lot of scenes it looks like he has around 30 plates/bowls of food when he eats. Never seen anything crazy like 100 plates, but probably around 20-50k cals a sitting.
    That much?

    I wouldn't consider a bowl like that to be 1k kcal each? o_0

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolkingler1 View Post
    That much?

    I wouldn't consider a bowl like that to be 1k kcal each? o_0
    has to be way more than 30k based on what we see goku, and vegeta eat

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    The dragon balls actually have similar properties to krytonite.
    In fact they're basically identical, even the effects on superman.

    As we already know Goku absorbed these dragon balls at the end of GT.
    Each hit Goku landed would nearly kill Superman, not to mention Ki made beams.

    One things for sure, Goku doesn't have an Achilles heel, Superman does.

    Goku wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    has to be way more than 30k based on what we see goku, and vegeta eat
    Hehe.

    I wonder how the hell they metabolize that, the food must be digested near instantly.

    And 4000 more posts to go!!!!!

    Btw, I really want to see Videl's mother once. Who would procreate with Mr Satan?
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