1. Originally Posted by gunner_recall
5 what ?
just a power level of 5. Which is the power level of a human in DBZ

2. Originally Posted by Dengir
just a power level of 5. Which is the power level of a human in DBZ
But 5 what? What's the unit of measurement for a power level?

3. Their isnt one as its a constant coefficient. If your wanting to be clever :P

4. Originally Posted by gunner_recall
But 5 what? What's the unit of measurement for a power level?
IIRC is about what a really strong normal human fighter would have, or it is what a normal farmer has. Either way power levels and strength/ki strength doesn't scale linealy, But a 10000 power level fighter will very often be beaten by a 11000 power level figther.

5. Originally Posted by gunner_recall
But 5 what? What's the unit of measurement for a power level?
Power levels are their own unit of measurement. We don't know exactly what they mean, but we do have some benchmarks.

5 = Normal human.
10 = Bulletproof and able to lift a small car over your head.
110 = 300+ ton strength, (this may in fact not be an upper limit)
180 = Enough force to destroy the Earth's moon.
5,000 ~ 13,018 MPH in flight speed.
18,000 = Enough force to destroy the Earth. (possibly several times over)
90,000 = Faster than light.
Somewhere over 900,000,000 = enough force to destroy a quarter of the universe.
Somewhere over 14,400,000,000,000,000,000,000 = enough force to shatter dimensions and destroy the multiverse.

The above data suggests an exponential scaling for power levels.

6. Originally Posted by Laurcus
Power levels are their own unit of measurement. We don't know exactly what they mean, but we do have some benchmarks.

5 = Normal human.
10 = Bulletproof and able to lift a small car over your head.
110 = 300+ ton strength, (this may in fact not be an upper limit)
180 = Enough force to destroy the Earth's moon.
5,000 ~ 13,018 MPH in flight speed.
18,000 = Enough force to destroy the Earth. (possibly several times over)
90,000 = Faster than light.
Somewhere over 900,000,000 = enough force to destroy a quarter of the universe.
Somewhere over 14,400,000,000,000,000,000,000 = enough force to shatter dimensions and destroy the multiverse.

The above data suggests an exponential scaling for power levels.

so if 2 humans did the fusion dance (and its additive assuming) they will be bullet proof?

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7. Originally Posted by GennGreymane
so if 2 humans did the fusion dance (and its additive assuming) they will be bullet proof?
Maybe that's why Fusion is stronger than double teaming. Assuming Fusion Dance adds their PL instead of their strength, two fused humans would be bulletproof, even though if you doubled a regular person's physical attributes, they shouldn't be bulletproof or able to lift a car.

8. I always thought the reason the bullet bounced off of Goku was because he's a saiyan, tough skin and what not.

9. Originally Posted by McGrubbin
I always thought the reason the bullet bounced off of Goku was because he's a saiyan, tough skin and what not.
The higher physical attributes of Saiyans though have also been shown as higher power levels. So that would be inconsistent with what we know.

10. Originally Posted by Laurcus
The higher physical attributes of Saiyans though have also been shown as higher power levels. So that would be inconsistent with what we know.
i dont know if any of the stronger dragon ball humans were bullet proof

11. Originally Posted by GennGreymane
i dont know if any of the stronger dragon ball humans were bullet proof
Roshi and Krillin were shown as bulletproof, though their PL was higher than 10 at the time of their shooting.

12. Originally Posted by Laurcus
Power levels are their own unit of measurement. We don't know exactly what they mean, but we do have some benchmarks.

5 = Normal human.
10 = Bulletproof and able to lift a small car over your head.
110 = 300+ ton strength, (this may in fact not be an upper limit)
180 = Enough force to destroy the Earth's moon.
5,000 ~ 13,018 MPH in flight speed.
18,000 = Enough force to destroy the Earth. (possibly several times over)
90,000 = Faster than light.
Somewhere over 900,000,000 = enough force to destroy a quarter of the universe.
Somewhere over 14,400,000,000,000,000,000,000 = enough force to shatter dimensions and destroy the multiverse.

The above data suggests an exponential scaling for power levels.
My god where are you getting these numbers from!

13. Originally Posted by Laurcus
Power levels are their own unit of measurement. We don't know exactly what they mean, but we do have some benchmarks.

5 = Normal human.
10 = Bulletproof and able to lift a small car over your head.
110 = 300+ ton strength, (this may in fact not be an upper limit)
180 = Enough force to destroy the Earth's moon.
5,000 ~ 13,018 MPH in flight speed.
18,000 = Enough force to destroy the Earth. (possibly several times over)
90,000 = Faster than light.
Somewhere over 900,000,000 = enough force to destroy a quarter of the universe.
Somewhere over 14,400,000,000,000,000,000,000 = enough force to shatter dimensions and destroy the multiverse.

The above data suggests an exponential scaling for power levels.
So, basically, what you're saying is you have no idea what you're talking about and you're just making stuff up based on an arbitrarily decided system of measuring someone's capabilities?

Just spouting out numbers doesn't really make any sense. There's no units of measurement.

But, something slightly related to this nonsense unit of determining one's strength. According to this chart, Superman has a power level of over 14,400,000,000,000,000,000,000. I guess that solves the Goku vs Superman debate, doesn't it?

14. Originally Posted by Sam the Wiser
My god where are you getting these numbers from!
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels

The official ones are either from the manga or the Daizenshuu 7.

10 was Goku's PL on the very first episode (where he was shot in the forehead and picked up a small car)
180 was Roshi's when he blew up the moon.
5000 was Vegeta's reading on Goku when Goku was heading to the battle
18000 was Vegeta attempting to blow up the Earth.
The last two are rough estimates of Broly's and Super Buu's (w/ Gohan) PLs

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Originally Posted by gunner_recall
So, basically, what you're saying is you have no idea what you're talking about and you're just making stuff up based on an arbitrarily decided system of measuring someone's capabilities?
How is taking stuff directly from source material making stuff up?

15. Originally Posted by Zoma
How is taking stuff directly from source material making stuff up?
It's just spouting numbers. There's no cohesion.

16. Originally Posted by gunner_recall
But, something slightly related to this nonsense unit of determining one's strength. According to this chart, Superman has a power level of over 14,400,000,000,000,000,000,000. I guess that solves the Goku vs Superman debate, doesn't it?

No. We dont know Goku's strength by the end of GT, and we dont know Super mans exact strength. Besides, super man is in my opinion a stupid character made to never be able to fail. Even through all the super things he does, that seems quite unrealistic and unreal to me.

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Originally Posted by gunner_recall
It's just spouting numbers. There's no cohesion.
how is he spouting numbers?

17. Originally Posted by Catanowplx
No. We dont know Goku's strength by the end of GT, and we dont know Super mans exact strength. Besides, super man is in my opinion a stupid character made to never be able to fail. Even through all the super things he does, that seems quite unrealistic and unreal to me.
Superman punched through reality, breaching and combining two separate universes. That sounds pretty damn close to those numbers you guys are throwing around.

18. Originally Posted by gunner_recall
Superman punched through reality, breaching and combining two separate universes. That sounds pretty damn close to those numbers you guys are throwing around.
We dont know if he barely managed to do that by using 100% of his maximum strength, or if he could've done better easily.

It too late for me to do thinking beyond a 5 year olds capabilities at the moment, but iirc Buu started tearing dimensions apart purely from his anger when he got beaten by vegito, and then vegito stopped that fairly painlessly. I dont know how SS4 GT goku compares to vegitos PL at that point, but i wouldn't be surprised if its fairly close if not higher.

19. Originally Posted by Catanowplx
We dont know if he barely managed to do that by using 100% of his maximum strength, or if he could've done better easily.

It too late for me to do thinking beyond a 5 year olds capabilities at the moment, but iirc Buu started tearing dimensions apart purely from his anger when he got beaten by vegito, and then vegito stopped that fairly painlessly. I dont know how SS4 GT goku compares to vegitos PL at that point, but i wouldn't be surprised if its fairly close if not higher.
So what you're saying is...Goku is potentially stronger than that? Thanks for making my point for me.

Also, sounds like Buu was enraged. There was no higher thought. He was incoherent and couldn't focus his strength and that's probably why Goku was able to beat him. Not because he was stronger.

20. Originally Posted by gunner_recall
So what you're saying is...Goku is potentially stronger than that? Thanks for making my point for me.

Also, sounds like Buu was enraged. There was no higher thought. He was incoherent and couldn't focus his strength and that's probably why Goku was able to beat him. Not because he was stronger.
Buu was enraged because he couldn't beat Vegito.

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