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    episode 33 will be up soon guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iadamson View Post
    Interview with Toriyama about BoG, funny he admits forgetting about creating ssj2 he thought ssj3 was actually ssj2.
    Can't really blame him. It's been at least a good 10 years or so since he last touched DB.
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    he wrote this stuff in the 80s soooooo yeah i can forgive him

    also a lot of us are americans he wrote plenty of other stuff thats not as big here in the U.S.

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    I know I said earlier in the thread: The DB manga finished in Japan in 1995. Well before we even got it. He explicitly said he wanted to move on from DB.

    Also, most of these authors have their stories planned pretty far in advance. So details probably slip to the back of their minds in the grand scheme of things.
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    he is also a good writer. the story is soooo simple yet pretty good.

    unlike bleach...... oh this characters popular i cant do anything with them! LET THEM LIVE AFTER BEING CUT IN HALF!

    or naruto where they must do a detailed filler arch for every guys past and put a bad love story into it and so many twists that make no sense. itachi was so popular they made him a good guy instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    he is also a good writer. the story is soooo simple yet pretty good.

    unlike bleach...... oh this characters popular i cant do anything with them! LET THEM LIVE AFTER BEING CUT IN HALF!

    or naruto where they must do a detailed filler arch for every guys past and put a bad love story into it and so many twists that make no sense. itachi was so popular they made him a good guy instead.
    Vegeta in a nutshell.

    I need One Piece. No chapter or episode last week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davendwarf View Post
    Vegeta in a nutshell.

    I need One Piece. No chapter or episode last week.
    vegeta they kept because fans loved him, but they killed him a few times, made him really apart of the story etc

    as for lets saaaayyy any character who dies in bleach..... they are not really the main characters. the white haired captain.... gets a freakin hole in the chest by a brain damaged wonderwiess and gets to live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    as for lets saaaayyy any character who dies in bleach..... they are not really the main characters.
    There was a major exception in the current arc, but Bleach is kind of similar to One Piece where only 1/10 mortal injuries actually result in death.

    Of course, if it wasn't for the Dragon Balls being able to bring back pretty much anyone, there would likely have been a lot fewer main character deaths in DB.

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    but they build it into the story as to how they dont stay dead. its a fundamental part of the story. it does get abused. but it is a focal of the story

    in bleaches case. its just to please fans.

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    I'm curious as to what Toriyama's original plan was with Vegeta. If like you said Genn Toriyama kept him because he was popular, was he supposed to die for good on Namek or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    vegeta they kept because fans loved him, but they killed him a few times, made him really apart of the story etc

    as for lets saaaayyy any character who dies in bleach..... they are not really the main characters. the white haired captain.... gets a freakin hole in the chest by a brain damaged wonderwiess and gets to live.
    Don't hate, Bleach is good. Go rage about Shit Piece instead, it will amuse me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlopez707 View Post
    Don't hate, Bleach is good. Go rage about Shit Piece instead, it will amuse me.
    never really watched it and never read it.

    bleach is just going what the hell mode.... hes this and that and this he is MED'AN Itchigo is def medan

    its like with sasuke and itachi.... sasuke now has no actual reason to be a character other than to... continue for the sake of nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davendwarf View Post
    I'm curious as to what Toriyama's original plan was with Vegeta. If like you said Genn Toriyama kept him because he was popular, was he supposed to die for good on Namek or something?
    That probably wouldn't have made sense because of the wish to bring back everyone killed by Frieza and his men (hmm, what about the minions Frieza killed himself?). I suppose the alternative was him to stay dead after the Buu redemption, and stay dead since he had already been wished back once. Instead of Vegito, Gohan would have actually caught the earring and not get absorbed, and then we'd have Gohku.

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    Can we stop talking about other manga/anime now? It was one thing when we were comparing them to DBZ, but now we're comparing them to each other and criticizing. Seems like a different thread topic to bring it up in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoma View Post
    That probably wouldn't have made sense because of the wish to bring back everyone killed by Frieza and his men (hmm, what about the minions Frieza killed himself?). I suppose the alternative was him to stay dead after the Buu redemption, and stay dead since he had already been wished back once. Instead of Vegito, Gohan would have actually caught the earring and not get absorbed, and then we'd have Gohku.
    But he could have lumped Vegeta in with "Frieza's men" even if he was rebelling. Dunno, I'm just curious because people justify Vegeta's rather lackluster endeavors in the later stages of DBZ by saying Toriyama allegedly hates Vegeta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davendwarf View Post
    But he could have lumped Vegeta in with "Frieza's men" even if he was rebelling. Dunno, I'm just curious because people justify Vegeta's rather lackluster endeavors in the later stages of DBZ by saying Toriyama allegedly hates Vegeta.

    tori did not like vegeta. but instead of giving him plot armor to please the fans. he wrote him into the main story, made him a main character etc. unlike grimmjow who is still alive it seems and will more then likly have plot armor as to how he is alive and make a brief apperance and not a main character. same for how halibel is still alive or why they had histugiya beat her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davendwarf View Post
    But he could have lumped Vegeta in with "Frieza's men" even if he was rebelling. Dunno, I'm just curious because people justify Vegeta's rather lackluster endeavors in the later stages of DBZ by saying Toriyama allegedly hates Vegeta.
    Was making a post about how DBZ wouldn't be able to do the other Saga if Vegeta had remained dead, but then I decided to make up how it would have turned out.

    Future Trunks never exists, same with present Trunks. Instead of killing off Future Gohan in F. Trunks backstory, F. Gohan survives and he's the one who comes back in time. Most of the Android/Cell Saga precedes as usual. Although, it might make it a bit strange for F. Gohan to see present Gohan reach SS2.

    Buu Saga is where it gets complicated. Imagine all the parts up to Vegeta's death. Now remove all scenes with Majin Vegeta and try to think of a character that could fill in. Probably the closest person they have is Piccolo, but this is after he re-fused with Kami, so any evil in his heart is at the bare minimum, and he seemed to accept that Goku was better than him back in the Saiyan Saga.

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    tori's favorite is piccolo i could see him making him the majin though


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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    tori's favorite is piccolo i could see him making him the majin though
    To me, that would kind of be out of nowhere. With Vegeta, you could always see his bad side. In the Saiyan/Frieza Sagas, it was obvious, and during the Android/Cell Sagas, he may not have been evil, but he was certainly selfish. His only 'good' moment was attempting to avenge Future Trunks.

    Piccolo, on the other hand, has not only been on the good side for nearly all of DBZ, he also lost most of his bad side during Gohan's training. He showed several moments of self-sacrifice, saving Gohan from Nappa and Goku from Frieza. By the time that he had fused with Nail, his only bad quality left was a short temper. Before Kami fused with him, Kami said that the evil in his heart had pretty much disappeared, and it would be even less after fusing with a pure good being like Kami.

    For Piccolo to suddenly say "Screw this, I'm better than Goku" wouldn't make much sense to me. I only mentioned him because the other characters are even less likely. If it was more comedic, maybe for Krillin or Yamcha have finally taken too much of being the butt monkeys, but that would make it hard to take the Majin speeches serious, and Majin Vegeta's were some of the best in the series.

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    It was a basic concept of DB/early DBZ that enemys become allies... Goku had to beat Yamcha before they became friends, Tien was a badass before he fought Goku and later allied with him against Piccolo. Then Piccolo was really really evil wanting to conquer the world until he allied with Goku to beat the Saiyans. Vegeta is the last one in this row getting beat by Goku & co and then joining them against Frieza.
    18 and Fat Buu also were villians but then became friends of the Z Fighter but they never played big parts in the story anymore.

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    I had sex with vegito.. I am writing this from the afterlife

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