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    My issues with some of the voice actors notwithstanding (Vegeta being the prime offender), the script in that dub is so fucking awful. I literally can't say that enough. The sad thing is Funimation wrote that script and used it for their dub of the show as well.

    I don't know how anyone can say DBZ has gotten anything but better in the time since then.
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    Why don't future trunks and bulma just go live in the main timeline after trunks destroyed the androids?
    Sure it would be awkward at first but if they lived elsewhere away from the z-fighters it could work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolkingler1 View Post
    Why don't future trunks and bulma just go live in the main timeline after trunks destroyed the androids?
    Sure it would be awkward at first but if they lived elsewhere away from the z-fighters it could work.
    because they want to rebuild their world

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    Piccolo's line kills me in that clip.

    "I'm....phasing..into another ...dimension. Wish me back! /dies" Like who dies like that? haha

    What the hell does he mean wish me back too, he knows he if goes the dragonballs go. Such a fail dub, being Canadian though it brings back a lot of memories haha.
    Ocean was HORRIBLE. The lines, the voices, everything. It was sad times. Thank God I never saw any of it and was always spoiled with Sean Schemmel/Chris Sabbat and the crew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    because they want to rebuild their world
    But, but it's so ruined.

    Also, what do you think Hercules real PL is? He is the strongest of the normal humans for sure. But what is his PL? Guessing 7 or so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolkingler1 View Post
    But, but it's so ruined.

    Also, what do you think Hercules real PL is? He is the strongest of the normal humans for sure. But what is his PL? Guessing 7 or so?
    I don't think the 5 for an average human thing is accurate. Plus, think about his skill versus, say, Chi-Chi, who at one point was over 100. And she trained Goten to the point he broke Super Saiyan (which I think is bullshit, but still). And then think about Yajerobe, who has a power level in the hundreds during the Saiyan Saga. I think Hercule breaks 100 at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendulous View Post
    I don't think the 5 for an average human thing is accurate. Plus, think about his skill versus, say, Chi-Chi, who at one point was over 100. And she trained Goten to the point he broke Super Saiyan (which I think is bullshit, but still). And then think about Yajerobe, who has a power level in the hundreds during the Saiyan Saga. I think Hercule breaks 100 at least.
    I.....what?

    I don't think he has 100... he would need some form of ki manipulation.

    I know chichi doesn't....but 100 is a bit much for Hercule.
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    i would give hercule a power level of 50 he is def 10 times stronger than farmer

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolkingler1 View Post
    I.....what?

    I don't think he has 100... he would need some form of ki manipulation.

    I know chichi doesn't....but 100 is a bit much for Hercule.
    Yajerobe can't use chi, and his power level is listed at several hundred.

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    Ok, I did some thinking and researching ......
    There is completely no information on dragon ball wikia about what happened to the group of pure hearted saiyans who, together with original super saiyan god, failed to bring down bad saiyans .....
    What if they've found a refugee somewhere, and there is another planet full of pure-blood saiyans out there, but good ones this time, who isolated themselves and trained with each other ?

    Guess we'll find out little bit when the movie is out.
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    You mean like a group of Saiyan monks, living a life of peaceful contemplation and kickass martial arts on an isolated planet, doing Piccolo-style meditation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoma View Post
    You mean like a group of Saiyan monks, living a life of peaceful contemplation and kickass martial arts on an isolated planet, doing Piccolo-style meditation?
    Yeah, something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    i would give hercule a power level of 50 he is def 10 times stronger than farmer
    I give Hercule a 6-9.

    Power levels clearly scale non-linearly, with some kind of increasing returns. Possibly even an exponential scaling. Roshi's full power kamehameha wave blew up the moon with a PL of 180. The strength of 36 humans is not enough to blow up the moon. Goku also took a bullet to the head easily with a PL of 10. Gunfire has been shown to be effective against Hercule, which puts him firmly below 10. However, you are right that he is much stronger than a farmer, which puts him above 5. So, 6-9 is mathematically the best estimate of his power level.

    Also, Yajirobe had a power level of 970 during the Saiyan saga.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

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    Don't forget that a difference like 2 or 3 points is pretty big for normal humans.

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    i just think goku was more durable since he was a saiyan which is why bullets did not work on him

    im sure krillin and yamcha in dragonball could easily be hurt by bullets. possibly tien

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    Quote Originally Posted by rad586 View Post
    Ok, I did some thinking and researching ......
    There is completely no information on dragon ball wikia about what happened to the group of pure hearted saiyans who, together with original super saiyan god, failed to bring down bad saiyans .....
    What if they've found a refugee somewhere, and there is another planet full of pure-blood saiyans out there, but good ones this time, who isolated themselves and trained with each other ?

    Guess we'll find out little bit when the movie is out.
    I foresee a Saiyan/Z-Fighter style Justice League...

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    Pretty sure the original super saiyan god, caused the destruction of the original planet vegeta.
    I assume the pure bloods died along with him.

    Also, in the ocean dub, when Piccolo says wish me back, he over heard Nappa talking about how Piccolo is a namekian, and how there is a planet with them out there.
    In the funimation dub they speculate that there is more dragonballs on piccolo's home planet. So it's not really a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iadamson View Post
    Pretty sure the original super saiyan god, caused the destruction of the original planet vegeta.
    I assume the pure bloods died along with him.

    Also, in the ocean dub, when Piccolo says wish me back, he over heard Nappa talking about how Piccolo is a namekian, and how there is a planet with them out there.
    In the funimation dub they speculate that there is more dragonballs on piccolo's home planet. So it's not really a mistake.
    Still though. Piccolo loves the kid, yet for your dieing wish you ask him to spend his life searching for dragon balls that may or may not exist on another planet? When a) you have no known way to get there. b) You have no idea how far it is and finally c) have no idea how dangerous it is. Being asked to be wished back actually goes against the selfless character they were building Piccolo up to be. He should have been like "I have faith in you Gohan, you can do this." (just DOOOOOOOOOODGE) or something along those lines and died without asking to be wished back.

    More wrong with that scene then just the dragonball thing.

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    Another thing. When were talking about SSJG type of power. Would a planet blowing up even kill them? Like think about for a second. Weak as shit Frieza in comparison can survive planets exploding. We also know saiyans can breath in space to, so why would a SSJG not be able to survive a planet exploding? Seems like that would be child's play to him.

    Unless the original SSJG intentionally blasted the planet to kill off evil saiyans to and to make sure it was strong enough to kill everything made it tough enough to kill him as well. Then like Frieza more recently, he had accidentally missed some that had traveled off planet previously...etc. Also how did this SSJG not stomp everything back in the day? Unless the evil saiyans were joining together to I guess, but then why was the technique lost if there were survivors?

    So many questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McGrubbin View Post
    I foresee a Saiyan/Z-Fighter style Justice League...
    Well pretty much everything about the Movie has already been spoilered so we can already say that we will hear nothing about them, maybe in the new series... but i kinda doubt it because it would be quite boring if there were new allies and then they are saiyans too. The new series would definately need new strong allies because it can't all just be about Goku, Vegeta and Gohan (i don't think Gotenks will play a big role at all because he is pretty weak for a fusion but with all drawbacks it, moreover he is annoying^^), maybe Goku meets some other strong "good" fighters in the other universes that of course are non-saiyan.

    Btw when will we be able to see the new movie? In Japan it should already be the 30th of March

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    ---------- Post added 2013-03-29 at 09:01 PM ----------

    i;d be fine if they kept ledgic from gt for a new series

    he was alright
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