Isn't it a bit of a "lesson" we often see in Animes? That those who work hard (Goku) eventually are stronger/better than those who have talent but are lazy (Gohan)?
The behaviour of Gohan also shows his half human origin which makes him less violent and more educated than the wild saiyans.
I don't think he's anymore intelligent than they are either. Vegeta is a very intelligent tactician, and Goku is a brilliant fighter. Gohan just has more book-smarts than they do. Gohan can be violent as well (Such as Future Gohan, who was very serious and violent when it came to the Androids).
And Gohan seems to have even more natural talent than Goku, but simply doesn't know how to use/access it very well.
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Goku (talent + lots of training) > Vegeta (less talented but looooots of training) > Gohan (super talented but near to zero training in times of peace)
then there is goten
baby he was born this way
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I think the reason Goku surpasses Vegeta everytime isn't only talent and hard work, but goku always gets trained by others learning new techniques and such, the only time I remember him training alone was when he was going to Namek in the ship at 100G... Vegeta trains by himself always... and thus doesn't learn anything new and it's harder to aquire power by yourself... at least that's how I see it.
Thats a good point actually... Goku is the guy who is nice to everyone and always eager to learn from others while Vegeta basically is a asshole (with a good heart though) who doesn't think anyone could learn him anything. After Cell Saga thats actually true though... Pikkon is the only one in otherworld who is stronger than Cell and where Goku can still learn something.
Still Vegeta has better teachers in his childhood... being trained by saiyans and other aliens with powerlevels that are way over 9000 is more effective than being trained by humans/guardians of earth who can't even reach a powerlevel of 500. Moreover he has way more experience being a saiyan warrior from his childhood conquering different worlds.
maybe not the best teachers for vegeta, but most certainly the better combat experience.
<----Huge DBZ nerd. I've watched all of DB, Z, and GT, and have read the DBZ manga, own the Vizbig Z manga, own the GT dvds, the Z dvds, and a couple of action figures.
Favorite character is Goku and trunks, and I love Broly, Cooler, and Janemba as villains.
I have a collection of Carddass cards from Japan of Dragonball Z-GT.
For the second card, that's based on the filler episode in Z where Goku imagines what him and Mr. Satan would look like if they fused. It's actually a very rare card because it doesn't exist in the manga.
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Yeah, which is why this card A: makes no sense and B: is a more rare card.
I think my favorite of all my cards are on my first page, or my card of Broly holding Son Goku from the Broly movie. Great shot.
Actually, it turns out it is in the Manga.
So the picture is based on the manga and not the anime.
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I even tried looking up the specific card (#571) to get its title or name but there been so many reprints and renumbering over the years with those cardass cards I cant find any solid database or list of them that isn't different from the next one. There's even been a news series of them released recently that go with that Japanese arcade game. Any idea what set those cards belong to Master Guns? Or when they came out? That would help me alot.
Last edited by Duncanîdaho; 2013-05-26 at 01:52 AM.
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