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    Quote Originally Posted by iadamson View Post
    These were some really funny images. Speaking of this one in particular, does anyone know how spirit bombs work? Before the Buu saga, it's pretty much implied that the energy Goku gathers is taken involuntarily from the life around him. Unless the grass, fish, trees etc are actually giving him permission, I don't see why he'd need to ask humans for theirs. In the Saiyan saga, I don't see any humanoid creatures giving their nod of approval, nor do we see it in the Frieza saga. In the Frieza saga he definitely asks the whole universe for their energy, but is that actually a request or is it a demand?

    More importantly, why was the Buu saga bomb more powerful than the Frieza saga one? I know Goku puts his own energy into the bomb as well, but it seems he forgot there was a whole universe out there that could give him energy instead of just people on earth.

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    i believe it were stronger due to absorbing more energy. He took all of Goku&Friends energy this time, which is ALOT considering the multiple super sayians + mystic gohan.

    Someone also said that it does more dmg to evil, and honestly i find kid buu to be more evil than frieza (though im not 100% sure this is true)
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    The Frieza Saga bomb was from Namek and some of the surrounding planets. Almost all life on Namek had already been wiped out.

    As for asking for energy vs taking it, it could be that Earth was too far for him to take it directly. It's possible that the stronger Goku is, the greater the range he can take energy from, but he was really far from Earth while making the Buu bomb.

    Chances are, the planet of the Kais is far away from any living planets, and was unable to forcibly take enough energy to defeat Buu, so he needed energy sent.

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    I think the theory of the range increase with power is quite intresting since he does pull from progressively further away upto the whole universe in GT.

    Also i dont think any1 on earth wouldve given him energy during the sayian sage, like said b4 in Frieza Saga namek was pretty much f*ed anyways so he had to pull from surrounding planets, and in the Buu saga its energy from the whole earth (which is most likely atleast half a galaxy away) and the most powerful good guys in DBZ but as discussed b4 the energy from Mystic Gohan alone shouldve been alone to do the trick but that out of the question in GT he pulls from energy out of the frikking universe (Para Para bro's ftw) for the ultimate facerape but lets be honest end of GT was BS taking hits from Omega Shen in kid form when he couldnt win in SS4.

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    Goku after failing his driving exam.



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    Interesting theory about the power to range increase, and it does line up with what we know about power levels, that is, they do everything.

    Planet Kaishin is much further than just half a galaxy away though. It's on a higher plane, in a completely different dimension. It's an infinite distance away. At least in theory.

    In the Frieza saga, Goku pulled energy from the solar system, not the universe. I don't know why they changed it to universe in Kai, horrible dubbing error. In the Saiyan saga, Goku pulled the energy from the Earth, as well as the non-sapient lifeforms such as animals and plants and, according to King Kai, the Sun. It was not shown that he pulled energy from any sapient creatures such as Humans and anthropomorphic Dogs.

    As for why it was so powerful in the Buu saga, to add to what was already said, the power of the Spirit Bomb is increased by the wielder's power level. Note how the Spirit Bomb became much more effective after they wished to heal Goku.

    And the whole GT Spirit Bomb vs Omega Shenron thing... That was just odd. There's a lot of different ways to interpret that scene. Because Goku clearly asks Shenron for help, but it's unclear exactly what Shenron did. I suspect Goku may have wished for immortality. That would certainly explain him being alive 100 years later. It's also possible Shenron didn't do shit. Another theory I have is maybe Goku used some of the energy from the Spirit Bomb to shield himself. Other people interpret that scene as Goku dying, and Shenron allowing him to fight on, citing that as the reason that Goku goes with Shenron after the battle.

    I wouldn't say any one interpretation is correct. There's not enough information for that.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

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    Ah yes i forgot about the sun, how does he pull energy from that though? isnt it pretty inanimate, but it does remind me in lord slug doesnt he fly over the poison cloud and then starts charging like he couldnt do it below?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ðemonhuntr View Post
    Ah yes i forgot about the sun, how does he pull energy from that though? isnt it pretty inanimate, but it does remind me in lord slug doesnt he fly over the poison cloud and then starts charging like he couldnt do it below?
    Well, it is inanimate, but it's also basically a giant nuclear fusion reaction that fuses 620 million metric tons of hydrogen per second. Lots of energy there. And yes, that's a very plausible reason for why Goku did that in Lord Slug.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

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    I can't count how many mangas/comics/anime refferences to DB/DBZ I've came across now. Here's latest one:

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    No no no, Stan should be Hercule.

    Unless you use all the McFarlane shows, then Peter is Hercule.

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    roger as freiza works..... if only C.I.A director bullock was cell

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
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    I must be a total nerd for getting excited every time I see a fan-made saiyan transformation.

    Something in my head goes "OMG, WHAT IF? WHAT IF???"
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    broly as an ss3 or 4....... oh god the universe would suffer

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    Pfft, SSJ4 Gogeta v.s. SSJ4 Broly, I think Gogeta could easily handle him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow-cleave View Post
    Pfft, SSJ4 Gogeta v.s. SSJ4 Broly, I think Gogeta could easily handle him.
    I think base form Goku at the start of GT could handle SS4 Broly. Unless Broly got a massive power increase to his base form.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

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    is vegeta kamehameha-ing in that picture?

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