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    Honestly, the way Goku and Vegeta treat enemies, it's amazing the Earth has lasted this long, even with two sets of Dragon Balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendulous View Post
    He has some of that Saiyan pride in him. Imagine if Goku were the one who let Cell become complete. He is looking for a challenge as much as Vegeta is, and I can see him doing it.
    I'd say that Goku wouldn't allow it for one reason alone: he'd view Eighteen as a person, not a machine, especially since his best friend was kinda falling for her (I have no idea if someone like Goku would notice that though) and that timeline's androids had not yet become murderous maniacs. I'm sure that if given the choice of getting a bigger challenge or saving one life, Goku would choose the latter. Hell, I think he'd even stop it if Eighteen had already gone "evil", due to his principles. But if Cell's transformation was like, say Frieza's, where no sacrifices were needed to power up, you're right, he'd definitely allow it just for a challenge. Heck, he did it with Frieza himself and he knew that if Frieza won he'd go after his loved ones and his planet, so I'd say he'd do that with any villain, no matter what's at stake. Which is kinda ironic. I'm sure he wouldn't sacrifice Eighteen to allow a power-up, but he wouldn't mind putting the whole Earth at risk if there was no single sacrifice needed for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adramalech View Post
    I'd say that Goku wouldn't allow it for one reason alone: he'd view Eighteen as a person, not a machine, especially since his best friend was kinda falling for her (I have no idea if someone like Goku would notice that though) and that timeline's androids had not yet become murderous maniacs. I'm sure that if given the choice of getting a bigger challenge or saving one life, Goku would choose the latter. Hell, I think he'd even stop it if Eighteen had already gone "evil", due to his principles. But if Cell's transformation was like, say Frieza's, where no sacrifices were needed to power up, you're right, he'd definitely allow it just for a challenge. Heck, he did it with Frieza himself and he knew that if Frieza won he'd go after his loved ones and his planet, so I'd say he'd do that with any villain, no matter what's at stake. Which is kinda ironic. I'm sure he wouldn't sacrifice Eighteen to allow a power-up, but he wouldn't mind putting the whole Earth at risk if there was no single sacrifice needed for it.

    Dumb saiyans.
    Saiyan pride at it's finest, you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow-cleave View Post
    Saiyan pride at it's finest, you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Hey guys, i have a question! No doubt it has been asked before ( maybe even here but i really don't want to search 245 pages and it might not even be there ) anyway!

    You know the part where vegeta sacrifices himself in the fight against fat buu ? I think that was a mistake of the maker's part because fat buu survived by putting himself together from the bits and pieces that were left after the blast. BUT as you can see in that video ( if you have it or look for it ) the blast engulfs buu ( he is already inside it, notice the background) it doesn't blow him away so normaly there would be NO little parts of him laying around after the blast.

    And he would of died just like he did with the spirit bomb from goku at the end, just be completely disintegrated. Sooo....since the day i saw those episodes untill now i think vegeta should of won that fight and killed buu for good but it was a writer's mistake. Unless someone can clear that up for me now?
    You make a good point about the pieces everywhere but they can probably be explained. To kill Buu you have to pump in enough energy to break up the molecular bonds of every molecule of "Buu". As Buu started breaking up some molecules probably got tossed every which way from atomic level collisions and the energy itself. Where ever they landed they immediately started regenerating again, although initially they would invisible to the naked eye. Those little parts that piccolo sees everywhere all probably started from a single molecule that survived the blast like I mentioned above. By the time Piccolo could see it with his naked eye they had already regenerated quite a bit. Buu was naturally built to withstand energy blasts(can change matter states at will), and saiyans are not hence Vegeta being a pile of carbon ash. Vegeta just did not have enough juice to break Buu up at the atomic level completely. Goku's Spirit bomb also had more of an effect because Kid Buu was pure evil. The more truly evil the person, the more effect it has.

    Although I've always considered the Janemba movie a take on what if Vegeta defeated Buu right there and then and what would happen afterward. If you watch the movie under that premise it really fits perfectly I think. As that is the only way Vegeta and Goku could both be dead in DBZ story. If Vegeta killed Buu then Goku would have had no reason to come back to life. Hence him still training in other world in the movie and Vegeta never got his body back. They had no reason to give it to him since Buu was dead and Buu surviving the attack was the only reason Vegeta got his body back initially.
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    vegeta needs to stoping doing lots of pushups and drinking juice

    he needs to fucking lift

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    [IMG]SNIP[/IMG]

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    [IMG]SNIP[/IMG]

    vegeta needs to stoping doing lots of pushups and drinking juice

    he needs to fucking lift


    Some helpful advice for Vegeta.

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    vegeta will thank you when he finally hits super saiyan 3 swaggaaaa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausr View Post
    Until Goku finds a way.

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    I know buu is squishy and the bullets didn't hurt him, but it seems like they wouldn't have even made marks. Otherwise it seems like every punch that he received would have blown him into pieces.
    Agreed. The force of a bullet, using DBZ physics, shouldn't have even been noticeable. Fucking Raditz stops one with his bare hand.

    Edit: oops, I was behind a page or something.
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    "Humility defeats pride, Master Yang has preached. Pride defeats man"


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    discuss

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
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    I think we have at one point. Given the fact that the change is permanent, there's a pretty good chance. I imagine him like Guldo, physically weak but with a powerful ability to compensate. Another one of those things we'll never know. It would have been nice to elaborate a bit on some of the different races we saw throughout the series.

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    It's almost guaranteed that it isn't his original body, considering that Jeice knew about his ability. Unless Ginyu keeps on bragging about his super ability that he has never used before, it's likely he had a different body at the time that Jeice had joined the Ginyu Force.

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    also it seems salza is the only 1 who ever saw ginyus original form. other than senior members of the planet traders and freiza/cooler/cold

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
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    I like to think that he's body snatched his way as a means of cheating death and advancing his own power.

    Also, Salza? wat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davendwarf View Post
    Also, Salza? wat?
    Yeah I don't know who this is either, but he sounds delicious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letmesleep View Post
    Yeah I don't know who this is either, but he sounds delicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    also it seems salza is the only 1 who ever saw ginyus original form. other than senior members of the planet traders and freiza/cooler/cold
    Oh? Is that mentioned in one of Cooler's movies? I don't recall ever hearing anything from any of the characters in DBZ regards Ginyu's original form (Assuming of course that the Horny Blue alien isn't his original form)

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    its in one of the video games where they bring it up

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