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    Is that a SSJ3 Vegeta I see?

    This movie's going to be awesome. Also loved the newest episode of Abriged, the Vegeta and Yamcha thing had me in tears. Points for Trunks' badass reveal as well.
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    Soooo... will it take a SSJ3 Gogeta to defeat Bils? Or are all the SSJ3 Vegeta pictures just fanart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    Soooo... will it take a SSJ3 Gogeta to defeat Bils? Or are all the SSJ3 Vegeta pictures just fanart?
    As far as I know, no, they're not fanart. It was linked a few pages back, seems it came from some magazine in Japan. It had SSJ3 Gogeta, Goku, Vegeta and Gotenks.
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    Haha SSJ3 Gogeta is op as fuck I mean gogeta in just SSJ oneshotted Janemba with some kind of reality shit and SSJ3 couldn't even scratch him. Which means Bils has to be stronger than janemba who was stronger than Ultimate super buu now which if you think about it is rather scary as janemba warped reality by just being alive.
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    I really dont know why Gogeta was able to beat Janemba so easily in SSJ when Fusiondance fusion is additive and not multiplicative like Potaras.
    What were the mutipliers? SSJ x25, SSJ2 x50, SSJ3 x200? So Fusiondance would only be x2 (if both fighters are equal) or am i missing something?
    SSJ3 Goku should be a lot stronger than even SSJ2 Gogeta (x200 Power increase vs. x100 Power Increase).

    But SSJ3 Gogeta would be really strong on a level of a SSJ4.

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    bills.... literal god

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liebchen View Post
    I really dont know why Gogeta was able to beat Janemba so easily in SSJ when Fusiondance fusion is additive and not multiplicative like Potaras.
    What were the mutipliers? SSJ x25, SSJ2 x50, SSJ3 x200? So Fusiondance would only be x2 (if both fighters are equal) or am i missing something?
    SSJ3 Goku should be a lot stronger than even SSJ2 Gogeta (x200 Power increase vs. x100 Power Increase).

    But SSJ3 Gogeta would be really strong on a level of a SSJ4.
    SS1=x50, SS2=x100, SS3=x400, SS4~x4000.

    And I don't think Janemba was too far out of SS3 Goku's league. Yes, he was stomping him a bit, but as we've seen before, even very small differences in power level can lead to complete rapetrains.

    Even so, I have a few theories on why Gogeta is stronger than SS3 Goku.
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    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

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    We must here the theories. They need to be written down and preserved on the interwebs for eternity.

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    is it stated to be an additive fusion rather than a multiplier of some kind?
    dont forget both goten and trunks were not that powerful, but gotenks at ss3 could stand with super buu

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    is it stated to be an additive fusion rather than a multiplier of some kind?
    dont forget both goten and trunks were not that powerful, but gotenks at ss3 could stand with super buu
    Well, it's not specifically stated to be additive. That's an assumption based on the statement on page 63 of the Super Exciting Guide, that states that fusion via the earrings is multiplicative. The general assumption is that if they have to specify that one is multiplicative, then the other must not be multiplicative. That doesn't necessarily mean that the fusion dance is additive, as I said, that's just an assumption that a lot of people make.

    If it is additive, there are other explanations for Gogeta being more powerful than SS3 Goku. My main theory is that what Old Kai said about being rivals making the fusion more complete, (in reference to the earrings) also applies to the fusion dance, and confers some kind of bonus that more than makes up for Goku being restricted to a lower transformed state. This bonus would also apply to Gotenks, as Goten and Trunks were rivals.

    My other theory is that the extra energy that Goku would normally use to transform to SS3 is simply being used to increase Gogeta's power level. Both theories could actually be correct, as they're by no means mutually exclusive.
    If Goku's power level increases at the same rate till the end of DBGT as it does till the end of the Frieza saga, as a SS4 Goku would have a PL of roughly 939 Quinoctogintillion. For reference that is a 260 digit number. A PL of 14,600 is required to destroy an earth sized planet. There are about 2 nonillion earths worth of mass in the universe. That means SS4 Goku can destroy the universe about 32 Octosexagintillion times over. There's a reason they made Goku a god at the end of GT.

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    What about how neither trunks nor goten can go past ss1 but when fused they can go ss3?

    Also SS3 Gogeta and SS3 Gotenks should fuse (not quite the same height I know..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lymph View Post
    What about how neither trunks nor goten can go past ss1 but when fused they can go ss3?
    Judging by how easy they can get into SS, I assume they are FPSS, or SS1.5. SS1.5 x2 = SS3

    So clearly Bils will be defeated by Gogeta SS6.

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    Oooh we could work out how much stronger fusion dance makes you we know that goten and trunks could only reach ssj and the fusion could reach ssj3
    lets say the have a power of 1 each there total just added together would be 100.
    We know that ssj3 coefficient is 400 which means if gotenks had a base power of 1 same as trunks and goten it would make you 4 times stronger overall.
    So take into account vegat and goku are both 8 times stronger than goten and trunks we can estimate that we are looking at ssj3 gogeta being atleast 32 times stronger than ssj3 goku. Thinking back that would also make ssj3 gogeta 3 times stronger than ssj4 goku as well.
    thinking back that would also make ssj3 gogeta 3 times stronger than ssj4 goku as well.

    Or

    taking both their powers to be 1 again
    we reach there total power separated at 100 still.
    but we take gotenks base as 2 as their bases have been added we know they can reach ssj3 which is still a 400*base
    making new total combined at 800 8* stronger than them seperated.
    we know that goku and vegeta can go ssj3.
    Know lets assume goku and vegeta also have a power of 1
    their total seperated would be 800
    we know that fusion makes you 8* stronger
    so we get 2*400*8 for ssj3 gogeta. which 6400
    which is ~ 16 times stronger than ssj3 goku.

    I dont know which is more accurate so i'll let you guys decide also this is just some quick maths and I probably made a mistake somewhere though.


    Edit:
    thought of another way of calculating fusion strength
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    Quote Originally Posted by iadamson View Post
    Dragon Ball Z 2013 Movie Update" Bils knew about Goku 39 years before the events in the movie.
    I just wanted to pop in to this thread to say that Bils may not have known that it was Goku 39 years ago.

    He's told of someone 39 years before the film by the "Prophecy" Fish... Obviously, a prophecy was made about someone doing something that would garner Bils' attention. It just happens to be Goku.
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    Also were are you guys getting the movie info from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorged View Post
    Also were are you guys getting the movie info from?
    Saiyan Island is probably one of the best places for the info, imo.
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    I usually just look up the dragon ball wikia at random intervals and see if I find anything new.

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    wait what, ss3 goku with eyebrows but vegita doesnt have?

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    So thats what Goku gets from years of training. Eyebrows.
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