Nuclear Weapons and the threat they pose in the 21st Century!

[Isendar]

Ok, everyone is worried more than ever about different countries harboring nuclear materials (Iran) and certain countries who probably have a stockpile, we think (Pakistan), that we are falling out of favor of. The fact remains: Why are we all that worried.

These countries aren't stupid. They know what nuclear weapons can do. Ever heard of a Nuclear Holocaust? Everyone, who is in sane mind, want to avoid this future at all costs. So why, in all of tarnation, would a foreign country decide that it was a good time to end life on this planet as we know it? Unless they were deluded and for some reason deemed human existance to be a fallacy worth correcting, harshly.

I though we were more worried about bio-weapons and dirty bombs. It seemed this was the direction war was heading as nasty as it was. Biological agents and what not. Now all the sudden everyone is back to worrying about something that's older than my parents? Weren't there some dire ramifications to the whole Japan Nuclear plant explosions that sent radiation the world round (Methinks...)? So why would any country, who is aware of what a little radiation can do, decide to press the big red button, when they know full well that everyone else will too? Unless they wish to cause the extinction of mankind, that's the only hypothesis I can come up with...

[Maharishi]

Everyone, who is in sane mind, want to avoid this future at all costs

This's the main issue, the concern that regimes who are not of sane mind will get ahold of these weapons. For instance, I'm wholly uncomfortable with north korea having nuclear weapons, as Kim Jong-Il does not seem of sane mind. Also, it's become obvious in Pakistan that the central government does not have absolute control over all of its agencies.

No one should have the power a nuke represents, much less an unstable government.

[Isendar]

It is all about jocking for position to better your negotiation hand. The middle eastern belief system plays a huge part in their actions as well.

So what, waiving your fist into the air and yelling, "I've got a nuke and i'm soo not afraid to use it!" results in whatever country they are pissed out responding by kneeling down and crying, "We are not worthy...oh we are not worthy!"

If that's true, what a sad world we live in where a country gets their way by threatening the extinction of mankind!

---------- Post added 2011-09-23 at 11:13 AM ----------

This's the main issue, the concern that regimes who are not of sane mind will get ahold of these weapons. For instance, I'm wholly uncomfortable with north korea having nuclear weapons, as Kim Jong-Il does not seem of sane mind. Also, it's become obvious in Pakistan that the central government does not have absolute control over all of its agencies.

No one should have the power a nuke represents, much less an unstable government.

So you think Kim Jong-Il if completely ok with killing himself, thousands of years of history and tradition, his own people including his family, and all the rest of his allies and future generations to come not to mention making the planet inhabitable for millions of years to come? Truly insane indeed then...beyond anyone I could imagine...

[Bitlovin]

Kim Jong-Il does not seem of sane mind.

That's the understatement of the century.

[anveena]

It's not about the countries it's about terrorist organizations getting a hold of them and using them in terrorist attacks.

[Maharishi]

So you think Kim Jong-Il if completely ok with killing himself, thousands of years of history and tradition, his own people including his family, and all the rest of his allies and future generations to come not to mention making the planet inhabitable for millions of years to come? Truly insane indeed then...beyond anyone I could imagine...

Actually yes, considering how he treats his own people, I could see, if he was threatened in any way, him trying to bring down as much as he could. North Korea and South Korea are still at war, and there are already enough conventional weapons pointed a seoul to wipe it off the map in less than an hour.

There are also fanatics who believe that the death of all is better than the success of their enemies.

[Deleted]

I think you people are overreacting.

Kim Jong-il's nukes can't even reach Japan yet, and with the crisis they are going through they probably aren't going to do so in a long time. We should be worried about South Korea, but the end of the world? Don't be silly.

[Deleted]

Ok, everyone is worried more than ever about different countries harboring nuclear materials (Iran) and certain countries who probably have a stockpile, we think (Pakistan), that we are falling out of favor of. The fact remains: Why are we all that worried.

These countries aren't stupid. They know what nuclear weapons can do. Ever heard of a Nuclear Holocaust? Everyone, who is in sane mind, want to avoid this future at all costs. So why, in all of tarnation, would a foreign country decide that it was a good time to end life on this planet as we know it? Unless they were deluded and for some reason deemed human existance to be a fallacy worth correcting, harshly.

I though we were more worried about bio-weapons and dirty bombs. It seemed this was the direction war was heading as nasty as it was. Biological agents and what not. Now all the sudden everyone is back to worrying about something that's older than my parents? Weren't there some dire ramifications to the whole Japan Nuclear plant explosions that sent radiation the world round (Methinks...)? So why would any country, who is aware of what a little radiation can do, decide to press the big red button, when they know full well that everyone else will too? Unless they wish to cause the extinction of mankind, that's the only hypothesis I can come up with...

Oh yes yes, say that to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I guess they didn't know what that bomb can do? The leader of Iran also seems to be a little...insane. Don't deal with greedy scum that trade money for death, or insane delusional idiots with a culture twice as disgusting.

---------- Post added 2011-09-23 at 06:19 PM ----------

So what, waiving your fist into the air and yelling, "I've got a nuke and i'm soo not afraid to use it!" results in whatever country they are pissed out responding by kneeling down and crying, "We are not worthy...oh we are not worthy!"

If that's true, what a sad world we live in where a country gets their way by threatening the extinction of mankind!

---------- Post added 2011-09-23 at 11:13 AM ----------



So you think Kim Jong-Il if completely ok with killing himself, thousands of years of history and tradition, his own people including his family, and all the rest of his allies and future generations to come not to mention making the planet inhabitable for millions of years to come? Truly insane indeed then...beyond anyone I could imagine...

No, but Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would. He really believes that he will meet 72 virgins, and so will the rest of the population.

[Isendar]

So it seems it would take a dictator so diabolical in his madness that he's willing to destroy the planet basically to actually fire off this theoretical nuke. Or a terrorist organization so fervent in their belief that everyone else should be sacrificed that they would also destroy the planet. It seems there are some pretty insane individuals and organizations in this theoretical 21st century nuclear threat. I honestly think there is more threat from bio-weapons than nuclear. There really can't be that many organization/people out there that wish doomsday to have happened yesterday?

[Isendar]

Celletrex, yes but no one else had a bomb at that time but the U.S.. So in that thinking, if someone were to nuke someone in this day in age, there would be many many more missiles in the sky going back and forth with probably a few anti-missile (I think we have that...) missiles... vs. the two missiles that Hiroshima and Nagasaki could not have known were going to be *dropped* on them.

[Maharishi]

So it seems it would take a dictator so diabolical in his madness that he's willing to destroy the planet basically to actually fire off this theoretical nuke. Or a terrorist organization so fervent in their belief that everyone else should be sacrificed that they would also destroy the planet. It seems there are some pretty insane individuals and organizations in this theoretical 21st century nuclear threat. I honestly think there is more threat from bio-weapons than nuclear. There really can't be that many organization/people out there that wish doomsday to have happened yesterday?

MAD is not as much of a factor when you'e talking about a small group/country with only a couple of nukes. If, say, N. Korea managed to get a nuke to LA and blew it up, the US would not then blow up the world. I doubt we'd even nuke them back, because that'd piss off china.

We'd invade them conventionally. MAD is only a factor when both sides have the potential for escalation.

[KingHorse]

These countries aren't stupid. They know what nuclear weapons can do.

1. You don't have to be part of a government to procure nuclear weapons. It makes it easier, but lack of government doesn't preclude you either.
2. Religion is a powerful thing. The people who attacked the twin towers on 9/11 believe that dieing while for their cause guarantees them a rather cushy place in heaven.
3. Bat-shit crazy people aren't exclusive to any one religion, nor religion at all in fact. One nutball is all it took to shake the Netherlands.

As a general rule, the people who run countries that negotiate "in good faith" with each other don't bother me at all. But the minority of countries (Iran was a great example) who play games while the world keeps asking questions, and a handful of the more well funded terrorist organizations, now they bother me. Any country that says that another country shouldn't exist and seriously looks like they're trying to make a nuke should be looked at harshly. For that matter, Israel has nukes (they don't admit it) and keeps denying statehood to Palestine, so they qualify too.

[Isendar]

Alright so if I have this right. A nuke to some countries is likened to a male porn star who has a big dick: leverage?

[Deleted]

A few months after the end of the Second World War, George Orwell wrote, as eloquently as he did on any subject which interested him, a little article about nuclear weapons and the threats they impose not only on rival, warring groups but on the citizens of states which possess them and the unchallengable power they give governments.

Check it out:

'You & The Atom Bomb'

It's short but mega-interesting!

[anveena]

Alright so if I have this right. A nuke to some countries is likened to a male porn star who has a big dick: leverage?

Yes, you saw what happens when you don't have one(Iraq).

[Isendar]

Yes, you saw what happens when you don't have one(Iraq).

This plus my last post was almost signature worthy

[NeftBat]

Alright so if I have this right. A nuke to some countries is likened to a male porn star who has a big dick: leverage?

No you dont have it right.
Countries use the fact that they have nuclear weapons(and air forces, navies etc.) as leaverage.
The wierd metaphor was unnecessary.

[Darkskrai]

The problem is that even though Kim Jong-Il would never want to kill his family - I'm certain he wouldn't mind killing his people,he is also slightly intelligent, he knows that the time will come when he or his family will be overthrown like other countries with dictatorship and I wouldn't be too surprised if he launched a nuke at other countries, knowing that they would either have to rise and become the better people unless they wanted the world to end.

I think this image pretty much sums up nuclear war.

[Deleted]

I doubt we'd even nuke them back, because that'd piss off china.

China will stop supporting North Korea in case of North Korea using nuclear bombs to kill others. And they will hold their word, their entire economy is dependant on the US.

[KingHorse]

China will stop supporting North Korea in case of North Korea using nuclear bombs to kill others. And they will hold their word, their entire economy is dependant on the US.

And unfortunately, ours is on theirs too. They would shrivel up and wither without the enormous amount of cheap junk we buy from them, but we'd also wither up and go bankrupt without the enormous amount of crap that we need, that we currently get cheaply. That is much stronger than the Mutually Assured Destruction that keeps people from firing nukes at each other.