Rogue Tier 13 Set bonuses discussions here please.

[Jpeg]

I have the LFR 2pc, including the helm, but I won the helm like 2 days after buying the VP helm, has anyone run sims on the 2pc from LFR vs the VP helm? I don't wanna pay for all the gemming again, so wondering if anyone has tried this?

[Tekloth]

There's no need to sim that situation, using the VP helm would break the 2-set bonus from t13. And given how good the set bonus is, it'd be a massive dps loss.

EDIT;

Meh, read that you had the set head before the VP one, anyways, it'll be a DPS increase for you to get the 2-setbonus from T13 even if it means replacing HC T12 pieces or VP pieces with even LFR-level T13. The T13 pieces have way better sockets for us as well.

[zccwoo]

They want people to go mut next patch, we're going to engery cap with two set as combat and that going to suck

[Leitka]

They want people to go mut next patch, we're going to engery cap with two set as combat and that going to suck

We were already energy-capping in t12 anyway.
And the patch is already live.
And it's actually a very strong bonus for Combat, it just requires thought to use appropriately. Think of it as an extra DPS cooldown to manage with similar rules to AR.

[Panoramix]

As a combat rogue, with Stage 1 daggers, with the gear I have now (3x T13, 2x T12), I still have parts of the fight where my energy drops as low that I can't throw a ability every GCD. As I'm not mister perfect in handling my proccs and abilities I also cap energy once in a while, but imho it means I should be able to squeeze in the extra 3 seconds of AR.

The extra 3 seconds would be a waste if you are energy capped almost all the time. Its not the case on my rogue.

And, the other part: as long as you are not energy starved on any part of the fight, is capping energy a DPS loss?
IMHO If you are GCD capped for the complete fight, energy capping is no loss.
You COULD do more damage, but your character isn't allowing you to do so (baahaad rogue )

Question pops up from an idea I heard about alysrazor lately.
On flight duty it provides you with the haste. So stack (some) mastery for more damage.
Never tested this, but could reforging some haste to mastery if you cap to often bring you a dps increase?

I know the haste increases your white damage, was just wondering if the mastery reforges could outweigh this..

(I could be wrong on everything in this post, feel free to educate me )

[T Man]

What some people fail to remember is AR does not only buff your energy, it buffs your attack speed aswell.
The only problem I fall under is using Tricks while AR is up or waiting for AR to finish to use tricks or im just wasting the energy from the 2set when I could pretty much extend my AR by using Tricks when AR ends.

[Texxi]

So. I do have a question for the 4pc bonus.

I normally end up having 3-4 seconds of the 30% buff from BG after AR. So I can perfectly use KS here.
If my AR now lasts 3 sec. longer, I would need to use my KS in an active AR.
So my question is : Is it worth it to use the KS during the AR and red-BG buff ?
Or should I wait until AR ended and I built up a green-BG buff?

Thanks in advance!

[Coldkil]

It's a little better to use KS at start then AR, so you will run the entire 30% phase with AR up, giving you more damage in the end.

[Hanto]

All I really want to know is... 2pc T12 and 2pc T13 or 4pc T13? I'm feeling that the 2pc T12 bonus is pretty legit and has a higher EP rating than the 4pc T13 on Elitist Jerks. On most fights the Burning Wounds DoT from the 2pc T12 makes up about 5% of my DPS and don't see a few more seconds of AR making up for that.

[Coldkil]

It's always about you play it. 2T12 it's pretty easy to simulate/calculate its impact on total dps, while 4T13 depends a lot from the spec and the player skill.

If a player isn't capable to get burned of energy before AR and "wastes" the 3 more secs staying energy capped, for sure it will be a dps loss, but it's not due to the set bonus being lackluster, it's due to the player not using it well. And still you will get the 20% attack speed for more time, and being energy capped while also beoing GCD capped it's not a problem (you cannot dish more than 1 action a second).

Sub is the black sheep in here, but because the 4T13 is extremely bad for it.

[Rotesbart]

You could really reforge like assassination instead of combat if you were doing alys with that much haste, but really it doesn't matter now. Your damage either way will be enough to kill it before 2nd ground phase. A buncha reforge/gemming for basically no point imo. Just going in my normal everyday combat gearing & reforges I tend to beat the tanks damage quite handily when flying.