Mage: Official 4.3 "What Trinket" Thread

**m1schabarton** · 2012-01-25, 08:19 AM

Hello,

Im a fire mage with 4t13 and I have Ti'tahk...
The trinkets I currently own are Will of Unbinding, Insignia, and DM: V..
Does the Insignia proc stack with the haste proc on Ti'tahk staff?

Thanks

**Trixzy** · 2012-01-25, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by m1schabarton

Hello,

Im a fire mage with 4t13 and I have Ti'tahk...
The trinkets I currently own are Will of Unbinding, Insignia, and DM: V..
Does the Insignia proc stack with the haste proc on Ti'tahk staff?

Thanks

Yes, all procs stack.

---------- Post added 2012-01-25 at 10:34 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Lynoxx

Hello all; I come here because Arena Junkies and the actual WoW forums aren't all too helpful with this. I'll cut right to it.

I'm a human mage with the legendary staff, and I can't seem to decide on pvp trinkets. I know running dual pve trinkets may be cutting too much resilience, but I'd like to hear someone else's opinions. I currently have DMC, MWC, SC, Badges, PvP Insignias, WoU, and VPLC, but it won't take me long to get IotCM or CotC, I don't think.

What trinkets should I use for pvp, as a human mage with Dragonwrath? Dual pve trinkets? Dual pvp? A mix? Which ones? Floors open.

EDIT:Should throw in that I'm frost pvp. Derp.

CotC HC if you have access, if not normal with MWC.

so MWC/CotC(HC if access). Double pve isn't overkill, just don't wear too much offsets pve, Legs + trinkets+ DTR is enough. If you play a comp like MLS or any comp that outlasts teams (RMP/FMP is not in this category) then run with PvP Use / CotC.

**DeathDefier** · 2012-01-27, 11:25 PM

Not sure if this has been mentioned at all, but both Rawr and Simcraft are showing 390 Will of Unbinding>397 VPLC for me as fire atm.

**Derpette** · 2012-01-28, 08:58 PM

I already forgotten about Rune of Zeth, but with the bad luck I gotten regarding trinkets, any chance that would be in the list for fire mages? Given the new 4pc bonus and static crit (and lack thereof on DS gear), any chance it's better than stuff like Foul Gift or NMF normal?

**Trixzy** · 2012-01-30, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Derpette

I already forgotten about Rune of Zeth, but with the bad luck I gotten regarding trinkets, any chance that would be in the list for fire mages? Given the new 4pc bonus and static crit (and lack thereof on DS gear), any chance it's better than stuff like Foul Gift or NMF normal?

Not really, RoZ has no passive intellect therefor it's inferior.

**hapu13** · 2012-02-02, 03:13 PM

What about Bottled Wishes (VP trinket) is it any use on any other boss than bosses with needed burst or is it so bad so it doesnt belong to either one of those lists?

**Ruak** · 2012-02-02, 08:57 PM

Ok, did Cunning of the Cruel undergo a hidden fix similar to Vial of Shadows? I am getting 8-9k shadow volleys, instead of 25k, despite the tooltip saying "20k volleys"...

Is it possible it got dmg reduced 3 times and proc triggering 3 times more to reduce burst, but they forgot to incldue it in patch notes?

From all the discussions about this trinket, I was under the impression that it does 20k-ish dmg, and it scales with spellpower, so people were doing ~25k average volleys (fire mages, should've been even higher for locks/spriests). As I said, tonight my logs reported 8-9k average volleys (non-crit). Only explanation is they treated it like Vial of Shadows, but haven't included it in the patch notes. But I can't find anywhere any similar observations from others.

**Struckie** · 2012-02-03, 12:12 AM

Blue Post. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/4023884

"Cunning of the Cruel will now trigger its Shadowbolt Volley approximately three times as often, but will deal approximately one third as much damage. This results in the tooltip for the item being incorrect, but should moderate its burst damage in PvP."

**sujee09** · 2012-02-07, 11:28 AM

Yeah i've also gotta ask this question ?

Originally Posted by hapu13

What about Bottled Wishes (VP trinket) is it any use on any other boss than bosses with needed burst or is it so bad so it doesnt belong to either one of those lists?

**Makoblade** · 2012-02-07, 09:27 PM

It has no intellect at all. It's relatively poor outside of special cases.

**Homu** · 2012-02-08, 07:27 PM

Herro. Ok, so I have 3 2nd trinkets: 391 NF, 384 VPLD, 384 IoTC. Was trying to decide which to keep on along with WoU. Ran my fire mage through Simulationcraft and 25k interations to compare. Once using the Patchwerk fight style, and the other Ultraxion (did not know that existed until less than an hour ago). All buffs/debuffs except DI and FM.

For both fight styles, I'm getting 391 NF as below the other two, whereas on the trinket list it's higher.
Patchwerk-
LfR.IotC: 46,801 DPS
N.VPLD: 46,494 DPS
H.NF: 46,465 DPS

Ultraxion-
LfR.IotC: 44,414 DPS
N.VPLD: 44,459 DPS
H.NF: 44,131 DPS

So common sense dictates to me that I should just go with what Simulationcraft tells me for my own character instead of going with the trinket priority list (unless I botched the settings, which I'm curious as to whether if I did or not). I should follow this? And would it be:

N.VPLD on all fights except Yor'sahj and maybe Madness and Gunship.
H.NF for said multi-dot / add encounters?

I do have the results saved and can post if needed. Thanks!

**Makoblade** · 2012-02-09, 06:22 PM

You mean normal VPLC?

Necromantic Focus is an poor trinket for mages - the LFR trinkets, and any version of VPLC are superior. Yorsahj is the only fight you could consider it a reasonable choice, assuming your raid has a low level of aoe.

384 Insignia and vplc should be comparable, although I'd probably favor insignia if you can ensure you will be damaging *something* at all times.

**Homu** · 2012-02-09, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Makoblade

You mean normal VPLC?

Necromantic Focus is an poor trinket for mages - the LFR trinkets, and any version of VPLC are superior. Yorsahj is the only fight you could consider it a reasonable choice, assuming your raid has a low level of aoe.

384 Insignia and vplc should be comparable, although I'd probably favor insignia if you can ensure you will be damaging *something* at all times.

Ah, yes. VPLC.

The poor trinket I apparently mistakenly shelved for much of 4.3 except for the occasional stint as arcane.

At some point H.NF simmed better for me, and the trinket priority list matched what I seeing on the first post. Glad to get some confirmation on this. I imagine what changed is the amount of crit I now have, or perhaps even the change in tier bonuses. Thank you.

Time to bank my H.NF.

**Sinister Knight** · 2012-02-26, 04:33 AM

Should we be ignoring MrRobot for this now? My raid's arcane mage is having issues finding a definitive, accurate list of BiS trinkets, and Robot says his BiS for Arcane are 397 Cunning and 397 Insignia. He currently has equipped the VPLC and LFR Will of Unbinding. I could use help with what list to have him use, given I have 2 other casters in raid that are looking at trinkets and I don't want to give him a non BiS for Arcane that might be BiS for the lock or shad. priest. Thanks!

**Henline** · 2012-02-26, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Sinister Knight

Should we be ignoring MrRobot for this now? My raid's arcane mage is having issues finding a definitive, accurate list of BiS trinkets, and Robot says his BiS for Arcane are 397 Cunning and 397 Insignia. He currently has equipped the VPLC and LFR Will of Unbinding. I could use help with what list to have him use, given I have 2 other casters in raid that are looking at trinkets and I don't want to give him a non BiS for Arcane that might be BiS for the lock or shad. priest. Thanks!

The list is in the first post.

**Falsecaster** · 2012-02-29, 03:01 PM

okay so i know Bottled wishes isn't on there i understood it not to be very good but i was looking at DMCV and there is more reforge states = more crit and i can link the SP boost with combustion. or should i just stick with DMC ( my other trink is normal unbinding)

**antant** · 2012-03-08, 09:00 AM

for arcane mage it states 410 cotc > 397 CoC but on RAWR it says that 397 CoC > 410 cotc can anyone explain which is better and why?

**jpirog** · 2012-03-09, 02:53 PM

Ok, so I'm just a little confused on what the best would be for me, I'm a fire mage and I just got the Cunning of the Cruel (397) yesterday.

I have the Cunning of the Cruel (397), Will of Unbinding (LFR 390?), and Insignia of the Corrupted Mind (LFR 384).

From what I've read, Cunning of Cruel + Will of Unbinding is the best combination for me? And not CoC + Insignia?

I just wanted to make sure that that's right, because right now I had the Insignia equipped, because it gives me more Int up front then the haste buff later on. But I assume the Will of Unbinding's equip effect is better overall?

**kif** · 2012-03-09, 02:59 PM

I believe that the Insignia/Will is better for fire mages and the Cunning/Will is better for Arcane. The haste buff always seemed to line up nicely for an early Combustion. Especially if you get the buff a little ways into the fight and can also have most of your Stolen Time buffs up.

**jpirog** · 2012-03-09, 03:04 PM

That's really interesting, kind of sucks because I was excited I finally got a new piece and I won't even be able to use it. But I guess I'll make sure to run some simcraft with both pieces to check. But from what you're saying, it's probably right.

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