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    Question about the Extreme Gaming 3400 build. Is the 1200W PSU necassary or is it required if you plan to upgrade? I plan on getting a nearly identical build but won't upgrade it any further (no tri-crossfire but I will pop in 4 x 200mm fans), will a 850W power supply do the job or not?

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    http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=15251

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    No, 12000w is not necessary. The AX 850 you linked is sufficient to power the beast. That said, I'd not really recommend jumping straight onto multi-GPU. If you'll be fine with one card then go one card.

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    Well I'll be starting off with one 7970 which I'm sure will handle anything on max at 1920x1080 for some time, I may never get the second 7970 or atleast not until a game I want to play warrants it. Now that I think of it saving the money and spending it on decent 2440x1200 or 2560x1400 monitor might be the way to go.

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    Or a 1080p 120hz monitor if you're serious about the "gaming" part

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuvial View Post
    Or a 1080p 120hz monitor if you're serious about the "gaming" part
    I considered a 120hz. But half the time I hear people say that they see no difference and the other half the time people say it changed their life and they'll never go back to 60hz. Where as the 2560x1400 essentically offers ~70% more pixels in the same screen space, which I presume makes the picture far finer and more accurate. Or is their set backs to such a high resolution?

    The monitor I was considering is the Dell U2711.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abominator View Post
    I considered a 120hz. But half the time I hear people say that they see no difference and the other half the time people say it changed their life and they'll never go back to 60hz. Where as the 2560x1400 essentically offers ~70% more pixels in the same screen space, which I presume makes the picture far finer and more accurate. Or is their set backs to such a high resolution?

    The monitor I was considering is the Dell U2711.
    The "half" that felt no difference between 60 and 120hz are the ones who haven't actually played on 120hz, they fall into the same category of people who say they notice no system performance difference between an SSD and HDD. The GPU also needs to be able to PUSH 100-120fps regulary in order for you to feel the difference, I feel an HD7970 should be up to the mark in most games.

    Obviously there are setbacks to running high resolutions like 2560x1400, your games will run at significantly lower framerates. The following doesn't use the same resolutions we're talking about but it gives the right idea:

    (This was done at max settings with 4xAA)

    The U2711 is an excellent monitor as far as color reproduction and resolution goes, I would probably put it as the #1 monitor if you're a regular desktop user or into photo/video editing (i.e. not a gamer). But with an 8ms grey response, 60hz limitation and significantly more stress on GPU's, it wasn't made with gaming in mind like 120hz 2ms monitors are are.
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    Thanks a bunch for the information. From what I read the Dell ultra sharps are top of the line for 60hz, could you recommend any 120hz monitors of a similar standard if it isn't too much trouble?

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    Similar standard? They can't be compared like that because the Ultrasharp is an IPS panel while all 120hz monitors use TN panels. Therefore you must decide what is more important to you:
    1) Amazing color reproduction resulting in nice contrasts and color accuracy
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    2) 120hz refresh rates for super-smooth movement (especially in fast paced games) with far less blurring/ghosting compared to 60hz and low response times.
    Quality vs performance thing really.

    Here's the list of the most popular 120hz monitors on Newegg, mind you they don't stock very many :P but all they all do mostly the same job.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...WS&PageSize=20
    Keep in mind that some of the $500-600+ monitors are priced that way because they include 3D kits (I personally couldn't care less about 3D, I'm just after the performance).

    I own an Asus VG236H myself and the only downside is that it has a glossy screen instead of a matte one, i.e. it if you have a brightly lit background then it reflects a lot.

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    Mind you, Xuvial, pretty much none of the Ultrasharps have any ghosting, blurring or other issues far as I've heard. Honestly, I'm a bit annoyed the monitor isn't more widespread, but I guess that's what the pricepoint'll do to any market.

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    It's not a matter of whether Ultrasharps have ghosting/blurring or not. It's the fact that at 60hz (regardless of monitor quality) is enough to notice blurring when anything moves. Drag a window across the screen (fast) and you will see it blur. On a 120hz that blurring is noticeably less.
    Last edited by Xuvial; 2012-03-18 at 05:13 AM.

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    I'd personally go for the increased resolution and an IPS screen. But I'm just a hardcore gamer.

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    It's a tough decision between the 2560x1400 and the 120hz monitor at the moment. I guess the best thing I can do at the moment is do more research and go into a store and see a tech demo first hand, mind you finding a 120hz or 2560x1400 probably won't be easy where I live as most of the computer stores stock simple stuff for people who would find difficulty in plugging in their computer. Thanks again for the information.

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    Is anyone able to provide more details about the performance one might expect to see in WoW with the Budget Gaming 550 build? Thank you.

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    It'll do quite decently bar the most stressful conditions (crowded city centers and 25mans). If you cut settings down to Fair-Good you should be getting very playable framerates in 25mans.

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    Sample builds fully updated:
    - All prices checked and re-checked.
    - GPU: Fairly AMD dominated. The only nVidia cards that are still somewhat "viable" (at least IMO) would be the GTX 550 Ti, 460 and 560 Ti in the $100-220 sections and the GTX 590 (although I wouldn't recommend anyone to get one today).

    Peripherals checked:
    - Added a 120Hz monitor to the list: BenQ XL2410T.

    I'll do another update in mid/early May when the new nVidia cards (hopefully) are on the market.


    I very much appreciate feedback and input!
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    Note that there's actually a Benq XL2420T. I don't think its being sold in the US right now but on my country is being sold at $465, which would be like $420-430 in the US when it gets released there.
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    Not a bad entry by BenQ should do the job.

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    Swapped the BenQ XL2410T for the XL2420T. It seems to be fairly hard to find in the US, so I had to link to NCIX (Canada). The price is also in CAD, but should be very similar to USD. I also added a surge protector under "others".

    I'll update the builds and add nVidia's new 6XX cards to the mix as soon as I see the 680 on the market with non-stock coolers as well as the 660 and 670 (and any Titanium version they might add as well). I still want to dive down with reviews before I structure the very high-end builds and what card to include. E.g. the 1500 build should have a flagship card in it - not sure which. I also haven't checked too much how the 7970 and 680 scales and performs with SLI/CF, but right now the 7970 seems like the better choice due to the vRAM (at least if you plan to run multiple monitors/higher resolutions).

    As always, input and feedback is most welcome!

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    For now we need to wait for 7970 to drop in price, because at $499 the GTX680 is the clear winner. Clock-for-clock they're incredibly close but atm the 7970 is just too damn much. Hopefully once the better coolers are released the pricing will be taken care of

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    Thank you very much for these sample builds! You've helped me lower my potential costs by 400-450 Euro.

    ---------- Post added 2012-03-24 at 03:34 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Xuvial View Post
    For now we need to wait for 7970 to drop in price, because at $499 the GTX680 is the clear winner. Clock-for-clock they're incredibly close but atm the 7970 is just too damn much. Hopefully once the better coolers are released the pricing will be taken care of
    They're both very good cards and the differences between them are negligeable.

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