[WIP] League of legends Counter picks spreadsheet

[warptwist]

Hi there community.


I've been working on a spreadsheet for counter picking in ranked/draft mode games, But some are more obvious than others, i went through it now, and for the rest part ill need some help filling out the gaps.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...JxV2c&hl=en_US

The document is visable, and edit-able by anyone, so feel free to help me & the community out - ill later lock it when the document is more accurate and complete. Edit: Spreadsheet is close to complete and now locked, post recommendations through the chat or reply here.

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Sintrixy EU-West

[Brittany Sn0w]

The trouble I see with it at the moment, is some of the "counters" are straight up late game counters, that won't even matter that much when people are farmed. For example, with Dr Mundo, while being countered by Miss Fortune late game, you won't lane a MF versus a Mundo allowing him to potentially snowball. However, also take into consideration items. Executioners Calling will also counter a Mundo ultimate.

[pacox]

Teemo's counter should be Garen. Singed only counter is a cowardly player.

[warptwist]

Its going smooth! Nearly all champions has good counter-picks now, just need a few things(Items, comments, tips & Tricks) and i would be done


it will of course always need updates in the future. As the game progresses. But looking good for a start on something i started working on less than 12 hours ago!

[ExamplePrime]

Vayne and Renekton are good counters to Poppy I believe

[Robo]

a few counters

Anivia- Tip if you can steal her blue buff she will suffer massively in lane and team fights.
Gragas- Morgana can counter gragas fairly easy as she can shield the barrel and clean the lane super fast with soil.
Malzahar- Alistar can counter his ultimate with knockup and his DOT with cow heal.
Shen- Kiters aka ashe and anyone with madreds.

[Brittany Sn0w]

a few counters

Anivia- Tip if you can steal her blue buff she will suffer massively in lane and team fights.
Gragas- Morgana can counter gragas fairly easy as she can shield the barrel and clean the lane super fast with soil.
Malzahar- Alistar can counter his ultimate with knockup and his DOT with cow heal.
Shen- Kiters aka ashe and anyone with madreds.

Alistars ult also cancels Malzhars ult if cast on said Alistar.

[dapeep]

Nice compilation. Here's what I can Add :

Template : Champ that has advantage vs champ at a disadvantage

- Galio vs most AP champions : Very high MR. It makes their harass virtually null
- Orianna vs Annie : Range on the ball completely denies Annie due to short range on spells.
- Brand vs Ryze : Outranges him with spells.
- Caitlyn vs Fiddlesticks : Hard harass denies laning
- Garen vs Mordekaiser : Run out of brush, silence, spin. Rinse and repeat.
- Cho'Gath vs Alistar : Silence to counter initiation. Cho ult eats through Alistar ult.
- LeBlanc vs "powerful squishies" : Burst damage excels at shutting them down.
- Singed vs melee champs with no range : Poison trail and fling make it difficult to last hit.
- Fiddlesticks vs Vladimir : Vlad's pool doesn't cancel drain, fear or silence.
- Tryndamere vs Cho'Gath : Spin to dodge spikes. More sustain. More damage.
- Vayne vs Singed : True damage chews through Singed tankyness.
- Janna vs Nunu, Galio, Amumu, Kennen : Monsoon cancels all of their ultimate.
- Kog'Maw vs high HP champions : Built-in Madreads
- Malhazaar vs high HP champions : Pool drains %/sec
- Teemo vs Auto-Attackers : Blind shuts them down.
- Cassiopea vs Mordekaiser : Strong harassment abilities prevents Morde from building up his shield.
- Lee Sin vs Akali : Build-in stealth detection prevents Akali from using her shroud effectively.
- Master Yi vs Ezreal : Gap closer that passes through skillshots.
- Tristana vs Mundo : Explosive shot reduces healing from his ult
- Miss Fortune vs Mundo : Impure shots reduces healing from his ult
- Soraka vs Karthus : Global heal to counter global ult
- AP caster vs Jax : Jax cannot dodge spells.
- Veigar vs AP Stackers : Ultimate uses enemy AP
- Nocturne vs Karthus : Spell shield absorbs Karthus' ult
- Sivir vs Karthus : Spell shield absorbs Karthus' ult
- Nunu vs Heimerdinger : Nunu can consume Heimer's turrets.
- Gangplank vs Morgana : Remove Scurvy out of dark binding. Heals for some of the damage dealt. Prevents sitting in soil.

[Fiddlesnarf]

Take GP out of Mundo's counter since GP's passive no longer reduces healing.
Also the Yorick counters confuse me, can you explain how you went about those?

[Lysah]

Teemo's counter should be Garen. Singed only counter is a cowardly player.

Warwick solo top counters singed hard. Every time he comes anywhere near you you can just right click him and win, he flings you Q you're back at full hp he's half dead. His high HP pool and low actual defenses really hurt him against Warwick.

[Synaptic]

Riven is pretty successful against Singed up top, as well; with a wriggle's, you really don't have to concern yourself too much with his poison trail in the early game, and proper use of her mobility can allow you to get some good harass on him without even taking much poison damage(or absorbing it if you do get in it for a second or two).

Not sure if you closed off the ability to edit(I can't edit as it stands), but some of the "counter mechanics" are pretty silly and counterproductive as it stands. Lee Sin - Ban Him as well as Singed - Akali / Talon / Garen are both good examples.

[t3hj0j0]

Cait and Trsit both effectively counter kog because of their range. Kogs power comes from his % health damage as well as his range, and cait meets his range while dishing out large damage to him while trist can out range him, killing him our buster shoting him when he gets in range. Since kog out ranges talons jump by a bit (with BAB active of course) he isn't as quite a good a counter as those 2. Akali shreds through kog though, as she can "hop" people with her ult to get in range to rip his face off.

[warptwist]

The trouble I see with it at the moment, is some of the "counters" are straight up late game counters, that won't even matter that much when people are farmed. For example, with Dr Mundo, while being countered by Miss Fortune late game, you won't lane a MF versus a Mundo allowing him to potentially snowball. However, also take into consideration items. Executioners Calling will also counter a Mundo ultimate.

If opponent team picks Mundo top, you can just pick Miss fortune and rush Lantern, if she doesn't push, and stay behind minions she can easily harass Mundo with double up and kill him with Exhaust, Heal reduction & Ult at the same time. Also she has strut if not he, and since Mundo is melee, and she is behind minions. GL Mundo, especially since he has to use health, to harass. which he wont have.

that is my thought process anyways.

Teemo's counter should be Garen. Singed only counter is a cowardly player.

If both of them buys boots, Teemo would indeed easily be able to out-zone and harass garen out of the lane. Mushrooms level 6 wont make it any easier, Teemo just have to make sure to always have highest movement speed so garen can't connect with Q->Spin.

Vayne and Renekton are good counters to Poppy I believe

Renekton i agree on totally since he has stun, sustain and slice'n'dice when she runs away, and a ult that effectively counters her ultimate burst.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZwhN...layer_embedded

Vayne's range is rather low so she might not always be able to knock back im top to stop her combo, even tho she will proberly be great at harassing her early game to prevent her farm. but just ONE wrong agressive tumble and she sits in the middle of the scissor of her whole combo. I don't know, ill have to check her out myself with a friend.

a few counters

Anivia- Tip if you can steal her blue buff she will suffer massively in lane and team fights.
Gragas- Morgana can counter gragas fairly easy as she can shield the barrel and clean the lane super fast with soil.
Malzahar- Alistar can counter his ultimate with knockup and his DOT with cow heal.
Shen- Kiters aka ashe and anyone with madreds.

Thanks, ill add these to the Tips and Tricks later when i begin working on that!

Alistars ult also cancels Malzhars ult if cast on said Alistar.

Absolutely amazing counter right there if this is true. Problem is just that he wont be able to farm in mid/top against a malzahar.

Nice compilation. Here's what I can Add :

Template : Champ that has advantage vs champ at a disadvantage

- Galio vs most AP champions : Very high MR. It makes their harass virtually null
- Orianna vs Annie : Range on the ball completely denies Annie due to short range on spells.
- Brand vs Ryze : Outranges him with spells.
- Caitlyn vs Fiddlesticks : Hard harass denies laning
- Garen vs Mordekaiser : Run out of brush, silence, spin. Rinse and repeat.
- Cho'Gath vs Alistar : Silence to counter initiation. Cho ult eats through Alistar ult.
- LeBlanc vs "powerful squishies" : Burst damage excels at shutting them down.
- Singed vs melee champs with no range : Poison trail and fling make it difficult to last hit.
- Fiddlesticks vs Vladimir : Vlad's pool doesn't cancel drain, fear or silence.
- Tryndamere vs Cho'Gath : Spin to dodge spikes. More sustain. More damage.
- Vayne vs Singed : True damage chews through Singed tankyness.
- Janna vs Nunu, Galio, Amumu, Kennen : Monsoon cancels all of their ultimate.
- Kog'Maw vs high HP champions : Built-in Madreads
- Malhazaar vs high HP champions : Pool drains %/sec
- Teemo vs Auto-Attackers : Blind shuts them down.
- Cassiopea vs Mordekaiser : Strong harassment abilities prevents Morde from building up his shield.
- Lee Sin vs Akali : Build-in stealth detection prevents Akali from using her shroud effectively.
- Master Yi vs Ezreal : Gap closer that passes through skillshots.
- Tristana vs Mundo : Explosive shot reduces healing from his ult
- Miss Fortune vs Mundo : Impure shots reduces healing from his ult
- Soraka vs Karthus : Global heal to counter global ult
- AP caster vs Jax : Jax cannot dodge spells.
- Veigar vs AP Stackers : Ultimate uses enemy AP
- Nocturne vs Karthus : Spell shield absorbs Karthus' ult
- Sivir vs Karthus : Spell shield absorbs Karthus' ult
- Nunu vs Heimerdinger : Nunu can consume Heimer's turrets.
- Gangplank vs Morgana : Remove Scurvy out of dark binding. Heals for some of the damage dealt. Prevents sitting in soil.

Added quite a few of these to the list i didn't have already! ill add the comments to the tips & tricks later when i begin working on that aswell, Thanks!

Take GP out of Mundo's counter since GP's passive no longer reduces healing.
Also the Yorick counters confuse me, can you explain how you went about those?

Done. Think GP would counter mundo pretty hard anyways with an executioners calling (Lifesteal & Crit and Healing reduction, perfect combo for the lane as GP)

1; Lee sin can shield/heal/spellvamp the ghosts to simply mitigate the harass. and straight up out-damage & Kill a Yorick as far as ive seen.

2; Renekton can use the Slice'n'dice on the ghosts to escape and catch up to Yorick, also he can gain fury & Heal from them aswell.

3; Rammus just because Yorick is a AD and all AD is countered by rammus with Thornmail and W up. dealing arround 300 dmg/s + 30% of your AD. just Rammus alone.

Warwick solo top counters singed hard. Every time he comes anywhere near you you can just right click him and win, he flings you Q you're back at full hp he's half dead. His high HP pool and low actual defenses really hurt him against Warwick.

Yea makes sense, Thanks ill add him.

Riven is pretty successful against Singed up top, as well; with a wriggle's, you really don't have to concern yourself too much with his poison trail in the early game, and proper use of her mobility can allow you to get some good harass on him without even taking much poison damage(or absorbing it if you do get in it for a second or two).Not sure if you closed off the ability to edit(I can't edit as it stands), but some of the "counter mechanics" are pretty silly and counterproductive as it stands. Lee Sin - Ban Him as well as Singed - Akali / Talon / Garen are both good examples.

While riven might be able to kill him, i think there are better counters for singed.

Cait and Trsit both effectively counter kog because of their range. Kogs power comes from his % health damage as well as his range, and cait meets his range while dishing out large damage to him while trist can out range him, killing him our buster shoting him when he gets in range. Since kog out ranges talons jump by a bit (with BAB active of course) he isn't as quite a good a counter as those 2. Akali shreds through kog though, as she can "hop" people with her ult to get in range to rip his face off.

I think the best counter to shut down Kog'Maw early game is Rammus, Akali & Urgot. Trist & Cait would definitely be a good AD to pick against him tho.

[Fiddlesnarf]

Warwick solo top counters singed hard. Every time he comes anywhere near you you can just right click him and win, he flings you Q you're back at full hp he's half dead. His high HP pool and low actual defenses really hurt him against Warwick.

You've been watching my Warwick haven't you?
I love going against Singed as Warwick!

[Lysah]

You've been watching my Warwick haven't you?
I love going against Singed as Warwick!

I learned the hard way one of my games as Warwick. By level 2 I had Singed completely zoned and crying under his tower for forgiveness.

[Brittany Sn0w]

As an avid Malzahar player, that I went to 1950+ Elo with, you're missing the one counter that's untouchable. Cho'gath. Cho'gath middle lane does happen, and he shits all over Malzahar in the laning phase. This part is important, because while Malzahar can clear waves relatively fast, without Blue buff, you don't have the pressure to down a Cho, especially if he's competent at last hitting (and sustaining through his passive)

Malzahar is also what can be considered a "soft" counter to Amumu. Malzahar has the utility to stop an Amumu from engaging, in his Silence and his ultimate if needed, as well as having a % based damage in his pool.

I'll also go out, and say as I've been picked up Gangplank, and played him almost entirely in the last 2 months, Renekton doesn't counter him. You have too much harass as Gangplank with your Q, especially if you run an early philostone/Chalice of Harmony

Laning wise, Orianna is beat by an Udyr. Yes, it sounds strange, yes you don't often see a middle lane Udyr, but it works, and I've tried and tested it versus high elo players. Udyr with Regrowth Pendant and Turtle Stance soaks and regenerates too much damage for the Orianna early, as well as doing a lot of damage with Tiger stance

[Kilidan]

Very nice. but eh.. may god help you if you cant beat kassa as anivia or brand :P

[warptwist]

As an avid Malzahar player, that I went to 1950+ Elo with, you're missing the one counter that's untouchable. Cho'gath. Cho'gath middle lane does happen, and he shits all over Malzahar in the laning phase. This part is important, because while Malzahar can clear waves relatively fast, without Blue buff, you don't have the pressure to down a Cho, especially if he's competent at last hitting (and sustaining through his passive)

Malzahar is also what can be considered a "soft" counter to Amumu. Malzahar has the utility to stop an Amumu from engaging, in his Silence and his ultimate if needed, as well as having a % based damage in his pool.

I'll also go out, and say as I've been picked up Gangplank, and played him almost entirely in the last 2 months, Renekton doesn't counter him. You have too much harass as Gangplank with your Q, especially if you run an early philostone/Chalice of Harmony

Laning wise, Orianna is beat by an Udyr. Yes, it sounds strange, yes you don't often see a middle lane Udyr, but it works, and I've tried and tested it versus high elo players. Udyr with Regrowth Pendant and Turtle Stance soaks and regenerates too much damage for the Orianna early, as well as doing a lot of damage with Tiger stance

Who should i switch Cho with on malzahar counters?

i would rather waste a knockback than malzahar ult on amumu, but ofc its a viable choice to do if it will save your team.

Lane-dyr added.

Thanks.

Very nice. but eh.. may god help you if you cant beat kassa as anivia or brand :P

Buy early boots and dodge all their skill shots and targeted ground abilitys. and then just slowly wear them down until you can kill them.

[Brittany Sn0w]

Who should i switch Cho with on malzahar counters?

i would rather waste a knockback than malzahar ult on amumu, but ofc its a viable choice to do if it will save your team.

Lane-dyr added.

Thanks.

Kennen in my opinion. It's very easy to not be harassed by a kennen, and if he comes in to his auto-attack range to apply his charge, you can trade better with Malefic visions.

[warptwist]

Kennen in my opinion. It's very easy to not be harassed by a kennen, and if he comes in to his auto-attack range to apply his charge, you can trade better with Malefic visions.

only reason i could justify that would be because kennen doesn't have sustain pre-revolver/WoA.. but guess that will be enough. Kennen clearly outranges Malzahars harass tho.