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  1. #601
    Bioware recently produced Dragon Age 2, a horrible game. So until I actually get to play ToR, I will continue to be skeptical about how successful it can actually be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valaras View Post
    Bioware recently produced Dragon Age 2, a horrible game. So until I actually get to play ToR, I will continue to be skeptical about how successful it can actually be.
    BioWare has four different studios, with different teams working for each. DA:2 was done by one team, SWTOR is being done by an entirely different one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valaras View Post
    Bioware recently produced Dragon Age 2, a horrible game. So until I actually get to play ToR, I will continue to be skeptical about how successful it can actually be.
    Bioware also recently produced Mass Effect 2 which was an amazing game. So I can't wait to get to play TOR, because I won't be skeptical about how successful it will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilim View Post
    Bioware also recently produced Mass Effect 2 which was an amazing game. So I can't wait to get to play TOR, because I won't be skeptical about how successful it will be.
    Ooooo, proof by contrapositive. @Istaril got owned by math logic

  5. #605
    I would have to agree that the only way to truly judge the game is to have the opportunity to play it yourself for a little while.

  6. #606
    Quote Originally Posted by Ifro View Post
    I would have to agree that the only way to truly judge the game is to have the opportunity to play it yourself for a little while.
    That would be the case for single player games; however, it's an mmo, so you've got to play more than a "little while" to be able to at least semi objectively judge it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nev12 View Post
    That would be the case for single player games; however, it's an mmo, so you've got to play more than a "little while" to be able to at least semi objectively judge it.
    I guess a "little while" is probably a bit relative. Generally it would make it seem like a couple of days at most. In this particular case I meant more along the lines of at least getting 1 max level character in order to get a feel for what the game has to offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefchorizo View Post
    if tor is successful then it would be a good thing for wow. we might end up getting the things we want for wow like updated models for the old races and actual bound on account items.
    ToR shows no new ideas that will spurr Blizzard, it's why I find this a hilariously naive concept, WoW won't suddenly change because they don't need to, ToR is just following their plans, not the other way around.
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  9. #609
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    ToR shows no new ideas that will spurr Blizzard, it's why I find this a hilariously naive concept, WoW won't suddenly change because they don't need to, ToR is just following their plans, not the other way around.
    If you think so lowly of SWTOR, why do you keep posting in TOR forums?

    WoW ran out of ideas long ago, their last innovation was bringing authenticators from banking to gaming. That was 2 years ago.

    Now their R&D department consists of doing what other games are doing. They spent the last year removing class specific quest chains, and now all of a sudden class stories are important for MoP?

    It's one thing if you bring actual details to discuss, but throwing out vague swipes at other games without justification isn't showing your full potential. WoW's MoP is dragging in pretty much what other games are doing. They used to bring their own ideas, but now this isn't the case (room for a different forum thread).

    Please stop bringing up WoW did this, Blizzard did that into everything. We get it, you like a proven game and like to ridicule games not out yet.

    Have high hopes for the future, or don't. But if you don't, please stop trying to bring everyone down?

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    why feed an obvious troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karteli View Post
    If you think so lowly of SWTOR, why do you keep posting in TOR forums?

    WoW ran out of ideas long ago, their last innovation was bringing authenticators from banking to gaming. That was 2 years ago.

    Now their R&D department consists of doing what other games are doing. They spent the last year removing class specific quest chains, and now all of a sudden class stories are important for MoP?

    It's one thing if you bring actual details to discuss, but throwing out vague swipes at other games without justification isn't showing your full potential. WoW's MoP is dragging in pretty much what other games are doing. They used to bring their own ideas, but now this isn't the case (room for a different forum thread).

    Please stop bringing up WoW did this, Blizzard did that into everything. We get it, you like a proven game and like to ridicule games not out yet.

    Have high hopes for the future, or don't. But if you don't, please stop trying to bring everyone down?
    Because as strange as it stands, I am not against ToR, not fully anyway.

    It has an interesting premise, and I would enjoy playing it, but I don't like falling to hype, I did it with WAR and I did it with Conan. I'd rather be negative to the game, be proven wrong and come out happy than get all hyped up and it's just another conan game and get annoyed that I spent all that time and money for naught.

    I want the game to be good, I really do, but until then I will it back and doubt the hell out of it so it looks better in the end if I am wrong.
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  12. #612
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    Because as strange as it stands, I am not against ToR, not fully anyway.

    It has an interesting premise, and I would enjoy playing it, but I don't like falling to hype, I did it with WAR and I did it with Conan. I'd rather be negative to the game, be proven wrong and come out happy than get all hyped up and it's just another conan game and get annoyed that I spent all that time and money for naught.

    I want the game to be good, I really do, but until then I will it back and doubt the hell out of it so it looks better in the end if I am wrong.
    So, talk about the good stuff then. What makes you interested?

    I fell for Warhammer too btw. It was interesting, but my final days were spent sending complaint bugs/suggestions/tickets to Mythic back to back. No kidding I sent about 100. The game was not ready for release - I didn't read the forums, I didn't need anyone to tell me this, I knew it by playing it. I did like their PVP though, the best part of the game.

    Buuutttt... that was then. No reason to be negative so soon. If the game goes out and has issues, by all means let it out. Why assume it's gonna suck before it even comes out? Warhammer was rushed, even when it was released people knew it was rushed. SWTOR took it's sweet time, however.

    I know BioWare is bustin' tail to make it work, I saw the last patch notes (oops someone posted them on MMO-C but they were deleted fast) and they were impressive, the detail involved.

  13. #613
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fiend View Post
    ToR shows no new ideas that will spurr Blizzard, it's why I find this a hilariously naive concept, WoW won't suddenly change because they don't need to, ToR is just following their plans, not the other way around.
    even if none of the ideas in swtor spurr wow, if it is successful and tons of people drop off of wow for swtor, then wow will have to kick up it's game and start throwing more stuff people want in, and try harder to enhance the game with real features other then pokemon.

  14. #614
    The thing is if swtor is successful, it would be a blessing for people that are gonna play it or people that'll play another mmo. Gamers would have another good choice, wow, rift and the rest would have a new good competitor that would make them try harder. I only see pros, I can't understand the whole arguement wow vs rift vs swtor vs GW2

  15. #615
    To me, MoP is just a sign of desperation from Blizzard. They see that GW2 and SWTOR are gaining so many followers because of what they are based around, so they try to bring it into the new expansion. The biggest indicator was when Monks was announced to have no Auto Attack, then I just stopped reading the other changes and said goodbye to my WoW subscription. Sorry if it offends anyone, but that is how I see it.

    SWTOR will be a major hit at launch, I just hope BioWare will be able to live up to the hype in the long run. Remains to be seen, of course, but it is looking promising. I have played so many MMOs in the past, Aion, AoC, WAR, SWG and plenty others (Aion is an amazing game it's just the grind to top lvl that's so insanely dull). The worst thing about those games was that, after playing WoW, trying out those other games the moving of your character, combat, ability reaction speed etc. all felt incredibly sluggish and slow. I hear that SWTOR will have the same movement and fighting "feel" as when pushing buttons in WoW, which is a system that I absolutely love. The RPG elements in SWTOR aswell is something that we have not seen before in other games. WoW failed in all respects to create a proper immersive RPG experience, so it's more of an MMOG instead of an MMORPG.

    SWTOR draws also a lot of people in because of nostalgia; they have heard about Star Wars, seen the movies or read the novels, so they are more prone to begin playing, but keeping them playing is all up to BioWare and the average player today bitches about EVERYTHING. If this game came out fully costumized to just 1 player (let's call him Max), Max would still find SOMETHING to complain about. The only thing BioWare can do is suffer through the whining of others and do their best to create a good environment that keeps as many people as possible happy. And from my previous experience with BioWare, they will do just that.

    People seems to be tossing around the comment "BioWare has no experience in making MMOs therefore SWTOR will fail", this statement is incredibly ignorant. I wonder how much experience Blizzard had with MMOs before they made WoW, probably none at all. They might have had some decent idea on what it would be like, but that was far from what they would really face. Blizzard has now had many years of experience which is why WoW is still so popular.
    Just don't forget, Blizzard was amatures with MMOs at one point too, and they have made the most succesful MMO to date. So let's not doom SWTOR just based on that.
    Last edited by Drihan; 2011-11-04 at 09:17 PM.

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  17. #617
    Quote Originally Posted by Nezarr View Post
    as for being a success, i dont see how it wont be. people want a new game so bad that they fail to realise that TOR is simply an unpolished wow res-kinned. It will take months if not years to get the game as polished as WoW,
    WoW's been out for six motherfucking years! Do you remember the first six months of live, because I sure do. Bending down to loot, nothing happening, so you move around in circles.. sliding on bended knee. They've had YEARS to polish and tweak, after an extremely bad and bug-filled release, and became the best MMO of it's day. Will SWTOR be as polished as WoW, a six year old game? How in the blue hell could it be!? It's brand new.

    The combat is not smooth, at first i thought it was lag, but the animations were clunky and NOT fluid at all, i felt like my ability to respond to what was going on didnt matter, it reminded me of that WoW system when they implemented queuing, except you could literally negate queing down to where you can just spam, in ToR abilities would activate 1-2 seconds after i hit them, and defensive cool downs were a pain, i could hit the deflection ability for sentinels and it would not be active until i had actually taken a few hits without the buff.
    I'm going to call bullshit. I know we're not supposed to talk about leaks, but I've seen SO many videos of smooth gameplay. PvP, Flashpoints. A Bounty Hunter circle-strafing and shooting. Totalbiscut and his camera guy playing a Trooper at one of the Conventions (that guy won't endorse a game the way he did, unless he honestly likes it). Could it be that you had a shit connection, a shit system, are extremely biased, are a baddie, or had expectations that virtually no game could fulfill?

    It is not everyone cup of tea, <Snip> i do hope im wrong, and look forward to reviews and more content to see if its worth checking out again but at this point, all i see is delusional individuals who want something new so bad that they cant see that its the same thing, except it actually has less to offer you. Oh but way better graphics for sure, and the opening cinematic was stellar.
    All your friends? How many was that? 2? 6? That's cool that you and all your pals got in the beta and all had the same negative opinion. It's not that I expect everyone to like the game. I just don't think from a varied group of MMO players, that ALL of them would agree with your points that clearly.. a great deal of people find to be bullshit.
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  18. #618
    People who believe Blizzard has just been "complacent" all this time are seriously naive.

    To me, MoP is just a sign of desperation from Blizzard.
    You'd have probably said this if Blizzard released any other expansion imaginable.
    Last edited by Luph; 2011-11-04 at 10:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drihan View Post
    To me, MoP is just a sign of desperation from Blizzard. They see that GW2 and SWTOR are gaining so many followers because of what they are based around, so they try to bring it into the new expansion. The biggest indicator was when Monks was announced to have no Auto Attack, then I just stopped reading the other changes and said goodbye to my WoW subscription. Sorry if it offends anyone, but that is how I see it.

    SWTOR will be a major hit at launch, I just hope BioWare will be able to live up to the hype in the long run. Remains to be seen, of course, but it is looking promising. I have played so many MMOs in the past, Aion, AoC, WAR, SWG and plenty others (Aion is an amazing game it's just the grind to top lvl that's so insanely dull). The worst thing about those games was that, after playing WoW, trying out those other games the moving of your character, combat, ability reaction speed etc. all felt incredibly sluggish and slow. I hear that SWTOR will have the same movement and fighting "feel" as when pushing buttons in WoW, which is a system that I absolutely love. The RPG elements in SWTOR aswell is something that we have not seen before in other games. WoW failed in all respects to create a proper immersive RPG experience, so it's more of an MMOG instead of an MMORPG.

    SWTOR draws also a lot of people in because of nostalgia; they have heard about Star Wars, seen the movies or read the novels, so they are more prone to begin playing, but keeping them playing is all up to BioWare and the average player today bitches about EVERYTHING. If this game came out fully costumized to just 1 player (let's call him Max), Max would still find SOMETHING to complain about. The only thing BioWare can do is suffer through the whining of others and do their best to create a good environment that keeps as many people as possible happy. And from my previous experience with BioWare, they will do just that.

    People seems to be tossing around the comment "BioWare has no experience in making MMOs therefore SWTOR will fail", this statement is incredibly ignorant. I wonder how much experience Blizzard had with MMOs before they made WoW, probably none at all. They might have had some decent idea on what it would be like, but that was far from what they would really face. Blizzard has now had many years of experience which is why WoW is still so popular.
    Just don't forget, Blizzard was amatures with MMOs at one point too, and they have made the most succesful MMO to date. So let's not doom SWTOR just based on that.
    WOW was blizz's first MMO as far as i know, and while it has been a big hit, it was a buggy as hell launch.
    The game was much more "done" then a lot of other MMO launches but it had its own problems no doubt, loot lag, servers crashing daily, falling through the world (always a fun time)
    WoW came along in a time where the only other really big MMO out there was EQ, and EQ was getting old, people were looking for something new, EQ2 had the chance to be the next big thing but SOE screwed it up with how it launched and how many people hated the game then, it has since been fixed and is a very enjoyable game, but first impressions will kill a game esp in the MMO world.
    If SWTOR has a good, clean launch i see great things for it.
    If it has a crap bugg infested launch, well then...
    But you cant compare WOW present day with a game about to be newly launched, Blizz has had a lot of time to fix their stuff to make the game what it is today.

  20. #620
    i hope its a good game... i dont plan to buy it (at least for a while), but i want it to be good. if it's good and successful, its a win for all of us, as wow will have to work even harder to improve their game, and will probably "borrow" good ideas from it. good competition always benefits the consumer, and wow has been all but a monopoly for a very long time

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