Last edited by Karteli; 2011-11-04 at 10:17 PM.
First of all, that was exactly the point im making, in order to compete with such a game like WoW, you need to be better prepared, they have such a head start, that a lot of games do not fail because they suck or have nothing to offer ( again i am repeating myself here) they fail because players are simply so spoiled by wow, and what it gives to you as it has had 6 years to perfect its art, and has done one damn good job by this point, no matter how many people complain about it.
This thread was about the success of ToR, and i was simply bringing up a possible reason for it not being as successful as it could be. Its Competition is light years ahead of it, and it sucks for all the new mmo's coming out. It has to learn from Blizzard and i just dont see them doing that. Granted they replicated the feel of dungeons ( flashpoints/raids what have you) and UI but the game play was my biggest concern.
I also find that end game content is almost a direct port of WoW endgame, so from someone who may be looking for something new in the end game arena, i find ToR lacking, why would i play ToR when i could have a better end game in WoW as its more polished, if i wanted bland mechanics and gameplay i would simply play Vanilla wow again. I am really not trolling here, i think you may underestimate my desire, and others, for a new game that offers something different to WoW at all levels of play. I think guild wars 2 may do just that.
Sentinel PVE Basics for the two Specs that matterOriginally Posted by SW:TOR
Karteli, i think i am open to ToR still, i wont purchase it on launch but if i here encouraging things from people i trust ill give it a shot. I dont know why my post was 'snipped' as i was not trolling, im genuinely commenting on the potential success of tor, and you can not do that without comparisons; i made them. As for their announcements and timings, i think both blizzard and bioware and doing a good job with trying to keep members and hinder the other.
I am just looking for an objective approach to ToR, and not just ' Blizzard fails, lawl pandas, blizzard sucks, tor is awesome' i wish to know why, what made you love ToR, if its the lore then i understand, but SW lore does not appeal to me as i have not read much lore, if its gameplay, i would like to know what about game play left you impressed.
I dont think any of this is trolling or unfair to ask.
Guild wars 2!
Post constructively, please. -3clipse
Last edited by 3clipse; 2011-11-04 at 10:24 PM.
I have no doubt a lot of people are gonna love it, but I for one won't willingly stand by and suffer through a game being killed by it's own ignorant masters.
But this thread is about SWTOR.
The Imperial Agent character progression video just got a released a few minutes ago and it looks amazing. I'm more excited about this class than before. All of the class videos has been extremely good and it relieves some of the pressure building up for players regarding info starvation. The NDA is still up which is hurting SWTOR, which is a shame, but I certainly hope BioWare won't keep it up for much longer. There is like 30% of the game that we do know about and 70% that is still under the NDA. Which gives WoW fanbois and GW2 lovers (in no fault of their own) a lot more of a pessimistic and hateful view of the game since the information released is so limited.
SWTOR is still a month away (at least) from launching their Early Access and the NDA should break before then or else BW will see loads of stuff leaked on the interwebz. Not only is it adding more fuel to the hatefire, but it's also very disrespectful and a bit cruel to the loyal BW fans who are anxiously awaiting this game.
Last edited by Drihan; 2011-11-04 at 10:35 PM.
Has to be a preference thing. In no video I've seen.. apart from level 1 shit, where you have 1 ability, have I gotten that impression at all. While I haven't been able to play myself, I've played enough games and heard enough other reviews to have developed what I think is an informed opinion on the matter. However, I'll concede that not everyone is going to like the same things.It felt slow, it felt boring.
This, I disagree with. Quests might take a little longer to get and turn in, but I LOVE the dialogue system from MEs/DAs/KotORs. I love making those kill 10 bats quests more than just accepting quest texts. Again, this is personal preferences at play, but I can't wait to be leveling with their quest system.Questing is a huge fail in my eyes, it was so ridiculously boring and drawn out,
I won't be able to change your opinion. If all of the info on the first page, playing the beta (as you've said you've done), or reading the thousands of posts here hasn't made you view the game favorably, there's no way Nakaya_kilrogg can make the stars align, connect two or three synapses in your brain, and open up a light from heaven to shine the light of truth (imo, anyway) down on you. If you don't like it, you don't like it.Fair enough, it was mostly the members in my guild. I'm simply conveying my opinion from beta. And frankly, you have done nothing to change that opinion or offer legitimate evidence to support any of your claims other than to attack my ability to play games and fail at comprehension.
Also, I wasn't calling you a baddie. You could be a 2400 gladiator, or have a heroic Rag kill. I have absolutely no idea. I was just offering it up as one small example, as many people have found the gameplay to be pretty awesome. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with you, could just simply be a difference of opinion. If I came across harshly, I apologize.
"Better" is subjective.I also find that end game content is almost a direct port of WoW endgame, so from someone who may be looking for something new in the end game arena, i find ToR lacking, why would i play ToR when i could have a better end game in WoW as its more polished, if i wanted bland mechanics and gameplay i would simply play Vanilla wow again. I am really not trolling here, i think you may underestimate my desire, and others, for a new game that offers something different to WoW at all levels of play. I think guild wars 2 may do just that.
We haven't seen too many videos from Operations (first boss and a few clips). We haven't seen what all they're doing with Ilum. They've also mentioned they're doing "end game with a twist", things we don't know about yet.
I'm pretty sure I did underestimate you, as that Guild Wars 2 plug makes it pretty clear. :P Whatever game you play, I hope you enjoy it.
Last edited by Lord Kristivas; 2011-11-04 at 11:15 PM.
Formerly known here as Nakaya_Kilrogg.
I don't play Nak anymore, I'm not on Kilrogg, and
I haven't played WoW seriously since the end of LK.