Sunfyre | @FoGSunfyre
Sunfyre: it's worth noting that the stat weights change pretty drastically based on gear levels (at least, they did last time I ran all 3 of the profiles a couple of weeks back).
PT 1. Normalizing these stat weights I came up with:
INT: 1.00
SPI: 1.04
SP: 0.76
HIT: 1.04
CRIT: 0.67
HASTE: 0.54
MAST: 0.54
PT 2. Secondary stats on MoP Gems have been increased to make them more attractive.
EX: RED- INT: 160 INT
ORANGE- INT/CRIT: 80 INT/160 CRIT
YELLOW- CRIT: 320 CRIT
PT 3. Applying these stat weights to the gems to see which is more powerful.
INT- 160*1 = 160
INT/CRIT- 80*1=80 + 160*0.67=107.2 == 187.2
CRIT- 320*0.67= 214.4
PT 4. The big WTF moment when I noticed Crit gems were possibly better than Int gems and the only time we would use a red socket/socket bonus was if it add at least a +42 Int socket bonus.
Am I correct in this? Or did I mess up somewhere?
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No, you are correct.
From the moment you normalize stats against 1 Intel and you have anything above 0.5, it's quite obvious that when you have available gems with Stat 2:1 Intel, then stat will always win.
We had the same with Haste in cata only that we didn't have inflated secondary stat gems so it was only applicable to single-slot yellows (+10 Intel).
I really don't get where Blizzard is going with this. They didn't like mindless red-gemming so they made them yellow?...I mean how is it for other classes?
At 90 with full 463 you have roughly 11000 -5200(for hit)= ~5800 points from secondary stats. The first dot breakpoint is at 5273. With crit rated higher than haste, i dont believe that we will go for the first (10 ticks) breakpoint in the beginning.
At t14 bis we got ~17000-5200=11800. Maybe at this gear lvl we can go for the first breakpoint.
Thoughts?
I think they are trying to take away from ALL casters gemming straight INT. At one point, Brilliant Queen's Garnet on my server was 1500g, While Reckless Lava Coral was only 250g. By increasing demand on secondary stats, they are making the economy more diverse. And as far as I am currently aware, boomkin is the only class in which this is true.
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Keep in mind you can only reforge 40% of those secondary stats, and without looking at itemization, I would say we prolly won't see that breakpoint until T15
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With a haste-oriented gearing, engineering helm, crafted gloves and chest and the 476 staff from 5-man Scholomance i could get 5247 haste and hit capped. I used one pure haste gem in the belt, otherwise int+haste gems in two yellow slots. Pretty darn close, and with another haste gem or the 476 5-man ring you are there!
This is not optimal. All that extra haste is wasted for an extra tick, vs going for crit and increasing crit% on all your attacks, and increasing the chance of proccing insta-starsurges from dot crits. Dot uptime will not be a problem then. Between faster eclipses and our 4-set bonus, you should almost always have both dots up without needing to refresh between eclipses, and if it does fall off, it's not worth the GCD to reapply.
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I'm beginning to update the guide for 5.0. Anything below the large 'Guide Breakpoint' is still 4.0 data that I haven't had time to update yet. For any data above the breakpoint, please provide feedback. I've been a bit out of the loop on some of the finer points of rating values, etc, so I've been scouring Google for the correct data. If anything looks incorrect, please let me know.
Sunfyre | @FoGSunfyre
To provide some feedback.
It would be great if you could say if it is worth going for a breakpoint or not. You said that the value of haste changes when we reach a breakpoint, but would it be worth reforging crit -> haste if we could get another dot tick ? (Or gemming haste to reach the 5273 haste)
Somewhere in the druid forums I red (maybe even this thread) that we should never reforge crit->haste even if we could reach a breakpoint. Do you have any data that confirms that?
Anything else till the breakpoint seems to be fine.
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On a somewhat unrelated note, wouldn't it be better to make a new thread for the 5.0 guide?
I could imagine that 16 pages of unrelated and outdated discussion would be rather confusing to newcomers.
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Well, that works too.
Just resubbed for the first time since T11. Still kind of reeling from all of the changes, glad to see you're still here and contributing Sunfyre. (:
Give me a few days to figure all of this out again and I should be able to contribute.
Aerie Peak 90 / 90 / 90 / 90 / 90 / 90 / 86 / 90 / 90 Kel'Thuzad 90 Tichondrius 90 / 90
I'm going Balance for my OS in MoP for leveling. This is the first time I have ever tried it and am still working out the basics. So far I am just concentrating on moving the bar from one Eclipse to the other and then hitting anything that procs while keeping Moonfire and Sunfire up on as many mobs as I can. Any other suggestions?
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Added bits to the guide regarding stat weighting as well as gems/gem weights/talents.
Want to get a bit more dungeons out of the way before I lock down the exact rotation and feel comfortable saying "this is how you should do it". I'll try to get it done this weekend. Work has been pretty busy for me lately on top of trying to level to 90 and gear up for raiding.
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