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    Raid Finder Coming in Patch 4.3

    Raid Finder Coming in Patch 4.3
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    We are working hard to introduce an exciting new feature to World of Warcraft in patch 4.3: the Raid Finder system. While it presents unprecedented technical hurdles and may change before it’s released, we wanted to provide you with an early look at what we hope to accomplish, and share some details that we’ve worked out, which will lend some insight as to how the new feature is planned to work.

    So what is the Raid Finder? It will be a brand new grouping feature that superficially works much like the Dungeon Finder. Instead of five-player dungeons, the Raid Finder is designed to help players quickly and easily form a pick-up raid for a specially tuned version of the current tier of raid content: the Dragon Soul raid. It’s not intended to replace organized raiding though. You’ll still need friends and guild members to help you conquer the toughest raiding challenges that patch 4.3 has to offer.

    As we currently plan to roll out the Raid Finder feature in patch 4.3, level-85 players will be able to use it to access a 25-player version of the Dragon Soul raid dungeon, which will culminate in a glorious battle against Deathwing himself. Dragon Soul will be split into three different difficulties. The Raid Finder provides access to a new tier of difficulty, which in this case has split the raid into two wings, each containing four boss encounters. Meanwhile, raiders will still need to join with friends and guildmates to face the more challenging normal and heroic versions of the raid, since the Raid Finder cannot be used to access those higher difficulty levels. Naturally, because they’re harder to defeat, the normal and heroic version of Dragon Soul will drop more powerful lootalong with prestigious rewards such as achievements, titles, and epic mounts. Rich rewards still await those who face the Raid Finder version, which we hope will introduce the thrills and epic experience of raiding to a broader audience than ever before.

    You can access the Raid Finder through the ‘Raid’ button in the menu at the bottom of the default user interface. The Raid Finder should feel familiar to Dungeon Finder users. Just fire it up, select your class role, click the ‘Find Raid’ button, and get ready to face Deathwing’s jaw of doom.

    FAQ

    Q. Raids aren’t dungeons. Who will keep things organized?

    A. A Raid Finder raid will require someone to queue as leader. The Raid Finder leader will have a very limited set of powers and cannot change loot type, nor do they have the ability to arbitrarily kick people from the raid. They do have the ability to mark targets and use /raid warning, and can promote other players to be leads as well. To be most successful, each Raid Finder group should have at least one leader who will explain the fights, assign raid markers, and make the tough calls, like who the main tank and off-tanks are.


    Q. How will loot be distributed?

    A. Automatic rolls and the Need Before Greed loot rules will apply in Raid Finder raids, just as they do in Dungeon Finder instances. Also, while Dungeon Finder raids aren’t locked, you are only eligible for loot from a boss once per week. This means that if you were present for the defeat of a boss, whether you receive loot or not, then you will automatically pass on loot that drops during later attempts on that boss during the same week.


    Q. How will Raid Finder loot differ?

    A. Loot acquired through the Raid Finder, including tier set pieces, will be of a lower item level than items acquired from normal or heroic mode versions of the Dragon Soul raid, and its appearance may differ. Also, there are certain items, as well as components for legendary weapons, which will not drop in Raid Finder raids. While individual bosses will not yield Valor Points as they would in other versions of the raid, you can still earn 250 Valor Points for beating the final boss in each wing of the instance.

    Tier armor that drops in Raid Finder raids still provides set bonuses, and those bonuses are compatible with the higher item level versions of the armor available in the normal and heroic mode versions of the raid. None of these tier sets will be available for purchase from a vendor via Valor Points.


    Q. Will there be an item level requirement to use the Raid Finder?

    A. Yes, accessing raids via the Raid Finder will require that participating characters be level 85 and have attained a certain item level, to help ensure that they are prepared for the content they’ll be facing.


    Q. Will the Raid Finder be cross-realm?

    A. Yes, the Raid Finder will draw players from all realms. As with the Dungeon Finder, it will place some priority on grouping players from the same realm, though not at the cost of increased queue times.


    Q. What kind of raid composition will the Raid Finder create?

    A. Each Raid Finder raid will include two tanks, six healers, and seventeen damage dealers. As the raid is assembled, the Raid Finder will attempt to balance the group according to armor type, which should help ensure a healthy mix of melee and ranged dps.


    Q. Why 25-player only?

    A. A 25-player group is actually easier and faster to fill than a smaller group would be, and allows for greater flexibility in raid creation, all of which will help contribute to lower queue times. Also, 25-player raids are less subject to issues with composition or player connectivity.

    The Raid Finder version of the Dragon Soul raid will be designed with pick-up raiding in mind. Normal and heroic difficulties will require the greater organization and teamwork found in guild raid groups.


    Q. Will I get Call to Arms benefits when using the Raid Finder?

    A. We don’t currently plan to apply Call to Arms benefits to the Raid Finder, though that may change in the future.


    Q. Will I be locked to a raid I join through the Raid Finder?

    A. Since the Raid Finder only offers access exclusively to a specially tuned version of the Dragon Soul raid instance, instance locks will not be enforced for that version. Instance locks will still be enforced for the normal and heroic versions of the raid.


    Q. Can I queue with my friends in a party or raid?

    A. Yes, you can queue for the Raid Finder individually, in a party, or in a raid. The Raid Finder can be a great tool to help fill those last few slots in a raid.


    Q. I’m a dedicated raider with an organized group, what good is the Raid Finder to me?

    A. Since instance locks aren’t in play, Raid Finder raids could provide a way for dedicated raiders to gear up alternate characters, fill gaps in their itemization, finish off elusive set bonuses, or just have some fun while preparing to face the normal or heroic version of the raid on the next reset.


    Q. Why aren’t other raids available?

    A. The Raid Finder is intended to help players experience the current tier of content.Also, many older raids don’t require a full complement of raiders, making the Raid Finder unnecessary. This is also the first rollout of the feature and we decided to start things simple, rather than potentially delay the feature’s introduction.

    If the Raid Finder proves popular, more raid instances may be added to it in the future.


    Q. Will Vote Kick still work in the Raid Finder?

    A. Yes, though many of the same requirements and restrictions will be in place. For example, kicking too many times can result in a Vote Kick cooldown. Also, the thresholds are different, and several players will need to agree on kicking a candidate before the vote begins. Successful kick votes will require a significant number of Yes votes to pass.


    Q. What happens if I leave a Raid Finder raid before it’s over?

    A. Players who leave the Raid prematurely will receive a Deserter Debuff, though it will likely be of longer duration than the one applied to users of the Dungeon Finder. This debuff will only apply to the Raid Finder system.

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    looks awsome!

  3. #3
    double post? I totally see 2 on the main page

    Edit: fixed =]

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    Personally can't wait for this for my alt

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    Well, I for one, am totally pumped! I hope they don't make it *to* easy... And I also wish that you could use the raid finder for Firelands and T11 raids, since I was not able to experience those either.
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    it sounds good but with the whole leader thing i see as a band-aid you need someone who knows the fights positioning and what they are doing to lead this can be hard enough with a regulated guild group and vent let alone with just talking and 24 randoms. unless the fights are like 30%-40% nurfed i see this being a wipe fest.

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    For clarity:

    "Also, while Dungeon Finder raids aren’t locked, you are only eligible for loot from a boss once per week. This means that if you were present for the defeat of a boss, whether you receive loot or not, then you will automatically pass on loot that drops during later attempts on that boss during the same week."

    Meaning no loot twice on the same boss in raid finder obviously. But what about the same boss in regular or heroic? If you kill a boss in the RF and that weekend kill the boss on normal, are you ineligible for loot? Gonna have to log in to the WoW forums and ask >.<
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    Copy-pasted from another discussion I'm having on this topic:

    ‎"A Raid Finder raid will require someone to queue as leader ... To be most successful, each Raid Finder group should have at least one leader who will explain the fights, assign raid markers, and make the tough calls, like who the main tank and off-tanks are." So, the encounters will be hard enough that someone will have to tell people how to run the fights. I read this as an admission that the dungeon journal notes will not provide enough information, and wipes will be imminent. I recommend everyone planning to use this feature READ UP ON THE FIGHTS. Don't expect the "I queued on my mage as a leader so I'd get a tank-level queue" player to tell you squat. Don't get me wrong, this implementation makes the most sense to me as well... but we all know that "don't be new on my time" expectations will still potentially come from this limited-power "leader" figure.

    ‎"Automatic rolls and the Need Before Greed loot rules will apply in Raid Finder raids, just as they do in Dungeon Finder instances" Let that sink in. Roll need if you need it, for either spec, do not hesitate, because you will not get cross-server consensus on an otherwise status quo.

    "Players who leave the Raid prematurely will receive a Deserter Debuff, though it will likely be of longer duration than the one applied to users of the Dungeon Finder. This debuff will only apply to the Raid Finder system." Let that sink in too. This is likely being prohibitively implemented to discourage people from leaving after the first wipe, which means pressure to avoid a second one will likely mount quickly. Don't let this feature be a funsucker, use it only when you're in the right frame of mind.

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    A. A Raid Finder raid will require someone to queue as leader.
    And as in LFG everyone is going to select leader because they all think it will let them get in faster.

    Really, coupled with the extremely tempting prospect of being able to troll 24 people at once by simply pulling trash during a boss and the high possibility of ending up with either a dummy or super elitist raid leader, this promises to be a hilarious failure of a concept.

    On the plus side it might open Blizzards eyes to the kind of community they've encouraged to grow over the years.

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    Yeah I expect people to roll need heavily.

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    Is this on the PTR currently?

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    Not sure I like the loot rules.. If you get loot or not; you're not eligible again that week from that boss? I can understand if you get loot; but if you don't? bah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingHorse View Post
    For clarity:

    "Also, while Dungeon Finder raids aren’t locked, you are only eligible for loot from a boss once per week. This means that if you were present for the defeat of a boss, whether you receive loot or not, then you will automatically pass on loot that drops during later attempts on that boss during the same week."

    Meaning no loot twice on the same boss in raid finder obviously. But what about the same boss in regular or heroic? If you kill a boss in the RF and that weekend kill the boss on normal, are you ineligible for loot? Gonna have to log in to the WoW forums and ask >.<
    That would be completely retarded. They dont even share the same lockout, why would they even share the same "loot eligibility"

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    I disagree with some facets of the raid finder. Rather then having loot at all, why not just give players a bag for each boss killed that contains a piece from the loot table with a higher chance to get their active spec piece when they kill the boss? Wouldn't a design like that make more sense? Rather then having people spilling tears constantly over the forums over players ninja rolling Need on off set gear?

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    The part of this that has me wondering is the part that says you get 250 valor for defeating the last boss of the wing.

    How many wings will Dragon Soul raid have, do we know?

    And

    Can we do this raid as often as we want ( not getting loot as per rules ) but still getting this nice amount of Valor per wing even if we have defeated it before?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malrune View Post
    And as in LFG everyone is going to select leader because they all think it will let them get in faster.

    Really, coupled with the extremely tempting prospect of being able to troll 24 people at once by simply pulling trash during a boss and the high possibility of ending up with either a dummy or super elitist raid leader, this promises to be a hilarious failure of a concept.

    On the plus side it might open Blizzards eyes to the kind of community they've encouraged to grow over the years.
    Cue idiots who got the LFD leadership thinking they can lead 24 other people....lemme tell you ive tried to organise 25s in the past on regular occasion and if one person gets outta line thats it....now imagine when you add the anominity of cross realms and man this seems more and more fail the more i hear about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perished View Post
    That would be completely retarded. They dont even share the same lockout, why would they even share the same "loot eligibility"
    This is in place so people dont just join a raid and leave after the first boss because their item didnt drop and que up again. It will still probably happen if its the person's first time doing the boss in the week, but it defiantly cuts down on it.

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    Tanks will be needing on dps gear, melee will be needing on tank gear, ret pallys will be needing on healing plate...This is going to be a ninja fest. I really hope they make it spec specific rolls. IE. Ret pally can only roll on plate dps.

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    ye the loot thing i guess only applies to LFR because it would be shit to get loot from lfr and not be able to have a roll on something within your guild raid.....nahh im sure i misread that somewhere so ill take it as you cant roll again in ANOTHER lfr group that same week.

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    I believe that a stronger penalty other than a debuff should be applied to a player that left a raid before finish. Some sort of rating system.

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