LFR is dead already.

[zordayn]

The system is actually very anti ninja. So the guy ninjas "random sword" there are 24 others of you with a vote kick button ready to go. The problem really happens when people go in there with a group of say 20, and then the 5 randoms dont get anything at all because the group is hitting need on everything and just trading the items to the person that actually wants it.

How would the guy ninja the random sword if he has to roll for it with everyone else. MS > OS is not a blizzard enforced rule that's what people need to understand here. The OP is whining already and being greedy about his precious WOW loot before the patch has even been released yet.

When we had to PUG raids on a server you'd be much more vulnerable to ninjaing. I agree that LFR is better because it enforces need over greed rather than master loot (which ML is open to loads of abuse).

I don't see how people don't understand why you are not allowed to get more than one shot at loot per boss per week. Its very simple. If blizzard did not add this rule, people would simply join a group, down the first boss, see they didnt get any loot at all, and then leave the dungeon and requeue.

Exactly, people are lacking in their critical thinking skills if they can't realize this. Use a little bit of logic, people, blizzard doesn't want you to spam a raid endlessly to get loot off a certain boss so you can be fully geared in a week. You have always gotten one shot at a boss per week and if you didn't get loot that week, tough luck. Quit being babies because the LFR isn't developed just to suit your greed, people.

[Buu]

Because someone (you know who you are...) would farm the place till they have all the gear they want, and be on the forums bitching about the "lack of content" the Wednesday morning after patch day.

It's LFR loot. There is normal and heroic loot AFTER it. Hardly would someone stop at that.
Yes, it's a fail that way... People will eat the deserter debuff if it's a boss that they can't loot, and we will see stalled raids. WEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Deleted]

Nevermind... As I can see MMOC is full of internet tough guys that have no real arguements, just disagree for the sake of disagreeing. I have a valid point, and once 4.3 hits you'll all be wishing Blizzard changed the system when there's shit loads of QQ posts about items being ninja'd.

[Belial]

U people also QQed this about the LFD tool (actualy about everything released since wow), but still it works nice.

And yes, also with 25 people things can get organized, if someone can be a strong leader.

I welcome this 'extra' functionality, i mean, i hope you will never try it, since it fails already.

But when patch arrives we be seeing u in one of the first LFR QQ about epix u want .. lolololol.

Besides the fact that it finished of the little that was left of server community.

[Deleted]

I think the only way to relate to this without losing your mind through frustration is to just remove the concept of MS>OS from your mind before you queue. We all know that out of 25 people, there's almost guaranteed to be people who'll Need roll on anything they can, that's just how it is.

But the catch is that it doesn't have to be that way. The same system that disallows me, as a hunter, from rolling on mail with intellect, can also be coded with some friggin intelligence for the other stats and roles and classes.

My sense that they are in touch with their own game is at a low atm.

[Tokas]

i think it's going to be awesome tool to have, especially when all you need is a warm body to fill in your guilds raid group!

[Serissa]

well i am happy about never using the LFR tool...in my opinion it will be a total mees and desaster going with rnd.
and i will not talk about the behaviour in such raids

bad thing - you have to do lfr at least once - for achievements

good thing - you can do it in full guild group

[Deleted]

So what you are saying is: I want to be able to get 8 peices of gear the first week of patch 4.3. Don't you see a big flaw in what you propose? Be glad that Blizzard even makes this LFR lol faceroll mode of an abomination. Now you are able to see the content wether it be you can't dedicate time to raid with your guild or cos you are not skille enough to take on normal/heroic. To me it seems you aren't that interrested in actually see the content. You just want to be able to farm gear as quickly as possible.

I want a successful system that relies on loot hungry puggers to succeed. Imagine gettting VP cap in random dungeons if the same rule applied. 2 hour queues, lol.

[zordayn]

Besides the fact that it finished of the little that was left of server community.

You can still put together raid groups with people on your server and run the raid without the tool.

You can also put together partial raid groups from your server and use LFR to fill the rest of the slots.

[Deleted]

Another person looking for reasons for LFR to fail. You would have looting problems with ML as well. People are going to try to make this look like it's this massive problem. But it's not. LFR is for seeing content above all else. And while you're going to have a-holes, it isn't going to be the majority. So chill.

Kinda, you would have 1 person who fucks up, who's from your server. Makes it ridiclous more easy to out that person, get him kicked from his guild, shame him etc, and thus prevents some people from doing just that(far from everyone tho ofc...)

Now take LFR, where a pala, druid can need on any item that drops, plenty more hybribs can roll on whatever they feel like, and add to that, that everyone knows nothing will happen cause blizzard consider it ok...

Not everyone gonna be a-holes no, but you'll have it alot harder to kick people, you will have alot more of them, and LFraids will crash cause of it...

It might not be the biggest problem with it, but 100% it'll be on of the majority issues with it....

[Explosions]

Honestly the only people that are going to get screwed are the pure damage classes or at least the ones that won't have separate sets of gear. Ie. mages locks etc. And not really screwed, it's just that if you are a tank and you know people are going to be rolling OS, then just roll OS too, who gives a shit. Other than that it really is just an extra way to get more gear that is a lower ilvl. I mean really, they are giving you a separate lockout, why the hell is everyone bitching? I don't even really play any more and don't really give a shit either way, but FFS you people on here bitching about this need to find something else to do with your lives seriously. Shit is irritating coming on here to see how the game is progressing and just seeing douchebags complain every time blizzard gives them something because it isn't good enough and then also complaining how the game is dead and not like it used to be.

[Purple Glow]

They should just scrap traditional loot rules for bosses killed using LFR. Instead, use the holiday model like Brewfest. When the boss dies, a box magically appears in your inventory. Maybe it has some gear. Maybe its just got some justice points.

[Belial]

You can still put together raid groups with people on your server and run the raid without the tool.

You can also put together partial raid groups from your server and use LFR to fill the rest of the slots.

Still doesn't change the fact that LFD finished off what was left of server community.

I want a successful system that relies on loot hungry puggers to succeed. Imagine gettting VP cap in random dungeons if the same rule applied. 2 hour queues, lol.

So it is the loot you are after, not seeing the content. I get it

EDIT: Actually, you know what. They should totally make it so when you enter the raid, all the bosses will be lined up and you can have tea and a little chat with them and then have a big chest where you could pick a peice of loot of your choice. Belive me, Blizzard is going to make this so faceroll that all will be able to complete is.

[iggie]

I'm going to RP walk and be the biggest pain I can be. Why? I carried these scrubs through countless ZA/ZGs on my alts, and now I'm supposed to do it again? No freaking way. Payback time kiddos.

[zordayn]

Now take LFR, where a pala, druid can need on any item that drops, plenty more hybribs can roll on whatever they feel like, and add to that, that everyone knows nothing will happen cause blizzard consider it ok...

Why do you feel that hybrid item is only intended for you to roll on it? MS > OS is not a blizzard enforced rule. If you don't like it you can still put together raid groups on your server where you can make your own loot rules, or maybe even hmm i dont know... join a guild that has loot rules that you like?

[paladinofcancer]

Besides the fact that it finished of the little that was left of server community.

They're getting rid of trade chat?

/sarcasm

And for the people worried about ninjas, do exactly what you do in LFD, add em to your ignore list and you never have to see them again.

[PhilCosby]

Another over-negative pessimist.

SW:tor/rift/aion that way -------------------->>

Not all of us raid in WoW for loot....

[Exeris]

I'm going to RP walk and be the biggest pain I can be. Why? I carried these scrubs through countless ZA/ZGs on my alts, and now I'm supposed to do it again? No freaking way. Payback time kiddos.

24 people will be itching to kick you.

[Deleted]

How would the guy ninja the random sword if he has to roll for it with everyone else. MS > OS is not a blizzard enforced rule that's what people need to understand here. The OP is whining already and being greedy about his precious WOW loot before the patch has even been released yet.

When we had to PUG raids on a server you'd be much more vulnerable to ninjaing. I agree that LFR is better because it enforces need over greed rather than master loot (which ML is open to loads of abuse).

Not really, no....
The issue at hand is that blizzard doesnt recognize MS-OS rolls with the need before greed system...
All other pug made raids/guild raids etc, have just that rule MS->OS, its commonly accepted, you know it, i know it....
And i'd state the opposite, with pugs from the same realm, the chances of running into a ninja is extremely much lower, you know this...i know this...

ML is there to prevent abuse and 9/10 times it does...
Need before greed is there to enforce people to need on whatever they see fit, weather it'll be mail int gear as a hunter or a spirit head as a mage, with the anonymity that comes with cross realm grouping...


Either way, in its current state,i wont even bother my alts to run that abomination of a extremely poor idea...

[Deleted]

There is noting stopping the current raid leader who is there to see the raid to the end from stating loot rules, if an item gets ninjed you can simply report, the rules have been stated. you agree by staying. why would you not agree unless you plan to ninja anyway?

If you do for some stupid reason ninja you get reported, item removed you wasted your raid ID your loss.

The problem that "could" come is people of the same group needing on items for their friends as you do now in 5man. but again, if you dont like it go 10/25 normal.

Another problem that I can clearly see if as its 25man, there is a big chance that more then 1 of the same item can drop, whats to stop somone needing on the same item more then once in hopes to get 1 and ends up getting both. He/she could trade it to the person who rolled 2nd or end up giving it to his friend.