Interesting read on US assassinations overseas..

[Catta]

And how is that different from how it was in Europe in the past? Countries waging war insanely against eachother, forming alliances, turning against eachother, re-formning and so on and so fourth. The whole western history is basically nothing but wars.

wars mostly fought with armies... here its the civilian populace

[Kalyyn]

And how is that different from how it was in Europe in the past? Countries waging war insanely against eachother, forming alliances, turning against eachother, re-formning and so on and so fourth. The whole western history is basically nothing but wars.

We need more big wars. When the aliens read about our history in 2150, they're going to think we're a really boring race. To predictable and stable.

[Deleted]

wars mostly fought with armies... here its the civilian populace

True true... although, where did the people come from in those armies? Most often the vast majority of it consisted of people being forced into the army, of different kind of slave labour (I cannot remember the correct term, people having their own small spot of land in which for return they payed with gold, or lives). So in a way, if the King or church wanted a war, the civilians didn't have anything to say about it. Ofc this would roughly mean less than 1000 years of history. Before that it was slightly more different, even more tribe-like as the nations or nationality weren't the strongest. But even then those different groups fought eachother, and ofc it was collateral damage then as well. So I don't really know in the end if the difference is so big. It seems no matter where in the world you look, people have always killed eachother, be that in big fights, small fights, for king and country or for any given God.

[Sylarian]

So it's ok for any land, including for instance any middle east land, to build a drone and go into U.S and kill the president? It should be with your thinking. What the U.S think is their right to do to other countries and/or people, those have the same rights against you, and if their goverment decides that the President of the U.S is the main terrorist as he ordered an attack that killed any given number of innocent people in their country they should have all the rights in the world to use a drone to kill him.

Killing a president of another country is not the same as killing a wanted terrorist who is not part of any government or nation. They are like weeds. Most terrorist are common criminals who use religion to back their means in creating chaos and violence or the murder of people in their own religion. If the west was not a target, they would still be around, Sunni's killing Shi'a and both killing Kurds, while the most rich nations try and spread their influence of Shi'a or Sunni cultures into other countries spreading more violence because they think the other worships Allah wrong.

[Kalyyn]

So it's ok for any land, including for instance any middle east land, to build a drone and go into U.S and kill the president? It should be with your thinking. What the U.S think is their right to do to other countries and/or people, those have the same rights against you, and if their goverment decides that the President of the U.S is the main terrorist as he ordered an attack that killed any given number of innocent people in their country they should have all the rights in the world to use a drone to kill him.

Right and wrong are largely irrelevant in politics. We have the power to do drone attacks, and we use that power. The Arabs don't allow us to do this. They just can't stop us. If they somehow snuck a drone into america and killed our president, then we'd have a dead president. We'd retaliate, I assure you, but debating ethics won't revive our dead president. You seem to think that other countries don't bomb us because it would be wrong. In reality, they don't bomb us because they physically are not capable of doing it. Otherwise, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

War isn't who's right and who's wrong, it's who wins. We're merciful because we choose to be, not because we have to be.

[Sylarian]

Right and wrong are largely irrelevant in politics. We have the power to do drone attacks, and we use that power. The Arabs don't allow us to do this. They just can't stop us. If they somehow snuck a drone into america and killed our president, then we'd have a dead president. We'd retaliate, I assure you, but debating ethics won't revive our dead president. You seem to think that other countries don't bomb us because it would be wrong. In reality, they don't bomb us because they physically are not capable of doing it. Otherwise, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

Exactly right, and well said. Just wait until other countries can match our military. They will challenge us but its all down to who and what year, of course its not going to be any time soon. This was also a major factor in WW2. A lot of countries became equal in means of world power through its military. Japan, Germany, United Kingdom and the United States all had large armies with the same capabilities. The US had some of the slowest fighter planes in WW2 but made up for it in numbers and aircraft carriers. Who ever is top dog will always bite and bark at the little dogs until a bigger stronger dog comes a long to challenge it for dominance.

[Catta]

Right and wrong are largely irrelevant in politics. We have the power to do drone attacks, and we use that power. The Arabs don't allow us to do this. They just can't stop us. If they somehow snuck a drone into america and killed our president, then we'd have a dead president. We'd retaliate, I assure you, but debating ethics won't revive our dead president. You seem to think that other countries don't bomb us because it would be wrong. In reality, they don't bomb us because they physically are not capable of doing it. Otherwise, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

War isn't who's right and who's wrong, it's who wins. We're merciful because we choose to be, not because we have to be.

so you say russia and china doesnt bomb the middle east because they cant...?

[Kalyyn]

so you say russia and china doesnt bomb the middle east because they cant...?

Because they have no reason to.

[Catta]

Because they have no reason to.

exactly... so its not just about ability to do so... i sincerely doubt a terrorist attack on moscow would bring the russian army to afghanistan...

[Deleted]

exactly... so its not just about ability to do so... i sincerely doubt a terrorist attack on moscow would bring the russian army to afghanistan...

Indeed, I doubt they'd invade but who knows... Not all countries have the same attitude as the U.S. Even if the western society is seen as one big happy family, that's not the case and the attitude and moral shifts from country to country. So even if one country had the same military strenght as the U.S, they necessarily wouldn't bark on the smaller dogs.

[Kalyyn]

exactly... so its not just about ability to do so... i sincerely doubt a terrorist attack on moscow would bring the russian army to afghanistan...

One of the things I've noticed about you is that you appear to think that Russia is this shining force of benevolence in the world that can only do good.

I can't fathom how one would develop such an absurd mindset. It defies reality. Please explain.

Edit: Also, the Russians have invaded Afghanistan for far less.

[Seminole]

This is the first of many assassinations to come by America on it's own citizens

[ishootblanks]

This is the first of many assassinations to come by America on it's own citizens

I hope so.. there are a lot of traitor terrorist assholes out there that need to die badly..

I only wish we'd stop trying them in standard courts over here..

[Catta]

One of the things I've noticed about you is that you appear to think that Russia is this shining force of benevolence in the world that can only do good.

I can't fathom how one would develop such an absurd mindset. It defies reality. Please explain.

Edit: Also, the Russians have invaded Afghanistan for far less.

all im really saying is that both russia and china tends to keep for themselves in the modern day

Edit: Besides i know Russia likes to establish its dominance every once in a while which is why it sends some fighters up and down european airspace which forces the countries to get upthere and escort them out, they do it to make a show of dominance but in reality the russian military could not beat the whole european one as it is now - nor would they have a reason to attack

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I hope so.. there are a lot of traitor terrorist assholes out there that need to die badly..

I only wish we'd stop trying them in standard courts over here..

Yea why do you need to prove someone is guilty when you can just as well kill them and claim they are