what classes are affected by bleed damage?

[Feard]

was going over raid comp after we changed up the roster a little bit in my 10 man guild and noticed that we are now missing the bleed damage debuff provided by arms warrs/ feral druid/ hunter pets/sub rogues and i was just wondering how much that would impact our raids output
so what classes are affected by not having this debuff on the boss and by how much does it affect them?

[Cernunnos]

Feral Druids
Rogues
Warriors Arms or Fury, both have deep wounds.
MM hunter.

They are the only ones that have bleeds, or are affected by bleeds.

[Aydinx2]

was going over raid comp after we changed up the roster a little bit in my 10 man guild and noticed that we are now missing the bleed damage debuff provided by arms warrs/ feral druid/ hunter pets/sub rogues and i was just wondering how much that would impact our raids output
so what classes are affected by not having this debuff on the boss and by how much does it affect them?

If you have a rogue, Fdruid or dps Warrior it would be smart to get that debuff up :P

[eErike]

Warriors - Arms have their owns, so that's no worries. Fury does not depend so much on it but I should be a 3-5% dps increase
Ferals - have their own, dps depends on it
Rogues - damage on rapture goes up, somewhere about 3% dps increase perhaps?
MM hunters - Piercing shot (30% of crits damage over time) 5% ish dps increase I would guess-

[Mendzia]

Feral Druids
Rogues
Warriors Arms or Fury, both have deep wounds.

This + MM Hunters with Piercing Shots.

[Siri]

for rogues it's a very small difference for combat they just don't use rupture if the debuff isn't up, sub can put the debuff up themselves and rupture itself deals little damage for assassination.
arms warriors put up the debuff themselves, it's a sizable increase for fury.
feral druids put up the debuff themselves.
MM hunters benefit too through piercing shots (unless this has been changed?)

[KeirAdish]

If you have a rogue, Fdruid or dps Warrior it would be smart to get that debuff up :P

Cant all three put the deuff up themselves?

Hemo - rogue
and whatever the other two have...
so if they have the classes they should have the debuff no? o.O

[Siri]

Hemo - rogue

Only sub rogues have hemo

[Rixis]

arms warriors can with trauma, not furies

ferals can too with mangle, assassin and wombat rogues can't

[KeirAdish]

Only sub rogues have hemo

Crap, I forgot that...
which is really bad since I'm leveling a sub rogue... -.-

[Darkster]

Cant all three put the deuff up themselves?

Hemo - rogue
and whatever the other two have...
so if they have the classes they should have the debuff no? o.O

xcept that rogues doesnt play sub, and warriors are mostly fury, and hunters will not use a pet with bleed debuff as it's dps loss.

having feral tank/dps or arms warrior is most optional but bleeds arnt really big deal in 10m. The only class that dps is really affected by bleeds is feral and arms warrior. and they both have it

[Vongimi]

Assassination rogues dont really care for it either... rupture does insanely low damage, the only reason they use it is for venemous wounds and the extra energy. Pretty much any spec that needs it has its own bleed debuff, except fury. Even MM hunters have it with a hyena.

[Deleted]

It matters a lot for classes that use bleeds. So it looks like the only one(s) who can't apply it themselves are fury warriors, non-sub rogues and hunters who have to use a better pet (bleed is 2nd worst). As said, it'll be 5% more dps at best for those who can't apply it themselves.

*MM -can- apply it through hyena, yes, but I have to use a wolf (5% crit) or ravager (4% phys damage) most of the time, which are a lot more important. The sunder one is even more important, and as I said bleed is last on the extra damage for a hunters petbuff choice, so I wouldn't count on that.

[Siri]

I just realized you asked for actual numbers.
For the classes that do not provide the debuff themselves it's something like this:
Assassination: <1%
Combat: ~1%
MM hunter: ~3%
Fury Warrior: ~5%

Very ballparky figures but should be somewhat reasonable.

xcept that rogues doesnt play sub

Say what?
http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...ubtlety_Rogue/


Sub is on par with/better than Assassination on most FL fight.

[WaitingforSWTOR]

shortest thread ever

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[Vongimi]

xcept that rogues doesnt play sub, and warriors are mostly fury, and hunters will not use a pet with bleed debuff as it's dps loss.

Hyena's are ferocity pets.... only dps loss if they need another buff/debuff, but then that goes to a whole different discussion :P

[Deleted]

I recall it boosts dps for bears and prot warriors (with deep wounds). Not as much as if it was true dps, but it's still a boost nevertheless.

[Kisho]

Classes that can provide the bleed damage buff:

Sub Rogues
Arms Warriors
Feral Druids (DPS or tank, doesn't matter)
Hunters with the correct pet

Classes that benefit from the buff:

Rogues
Warriors
Feral Druids
MM Hunters

So USUALLY (not always), if a class needs the bleed damage buff they should bring it themselves. Might not be the case however, so it's worth keeping an eye on. Ferals are probably your best bet for bringing the buff, since they do excellent DPS and can also tank. A Hunter may be able to provide it, depending on whether they need to bring a better buff or not (str/agi buff, 5% crit, those sorts of things). It's unlikely that the Rogue will provide it since Subtlety is apparently a super difficult DPS spec and it does less DPS than other specs anyway, so unless they really like the spec they probably won't use it. Warriors... I could be wrong, but apparently Arms isn't do as well as Fury, so chances are they won't bring the buff. It's probably more likely than a Rogue bringing it tho.

So in other words, in order of who's most likely to bring the buff, most to least:

Feral Druids
Hunters
Warriors
Rogues

One last thing... Even though Ferals can bring it (and will always have it no matter what spec), if they're DPS then they'd rather not bother with putting up the debuff. It's linked to Mangle, which does less DPS than Shred. If they can be Shredding instead of Mangling they'll see a DPS increase, provided someone else is providing the debuff. So your Ferals will thank you if you can find someone else to provide the debuff (without losing raid DPS). But if you can't, no biggie. Best solution is to use a Feral tank, as they WILL be putting up the debuff 100% of the time. Mangle for bears is super good threat, yo.

[Siri]

It's unlikely that the Rogue will provide it since Subtlety is apparently a super difficult DPS spec and it does less DPS than other specs anyway

It does less than combat, it does more than assassination. (looking at actual FL fights, not theory)

[Vynistra]

assassin and wombat rogues can't

I know nothing of these classes or what bleeds do (aside from kill me in PVP) but...

Wombat Rogues
*giggle*