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Seems a little counter-productive,
Blizzard wants more people to tank. So say I'm a well geared tank and the only reason I still run Zandalari is for my OS. Now, I'll need to queue as a DPS to have a good chance of actually getting that loot.
So what would you rather have as a DPS in a 20 minute queue, less tanks or more loot?
I predict that Blizz will refrain from delcaring which secondary stats are good for which classes/roles (apart from spirit). Therefore all 2h weapons are also available to DK tanks.
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You could however bring up the point that when you want some gear for your OS, say as a priest, the stat allocation might look the same as your MS, so the system acciedentally lets you roll MS rather than OS. Despite being equal/worse than your current gear.
It will be interesting to see how they solve that problem without bringing back Damage Spell Power and Healing Spell Power again.
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regardless of whether the bonus is 20 or 50 or whatever
if its less than 100, there is gonna be a shitstorm of T.T wen an OS outrolls an MS.
Please by all means, let your fellow tank know that you want to gear your warrior's tanking OS. I'm sure we can work something out. Don't just sit there with your mouth agape when we all roll greed and you don't win because of lack of communication. I've way outgeared ZA content and don't mind giving up my right to roll need to any future tank looking to gear up! Just ask!
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I agree that more people will just be rolling now because of a bonus to others. Since we don't know what that bonus is yet, we can't really form opinions on it. For all we know, the Main spec bonus could be 100 points, thereby eliminating off spec's possibility to win no matter what.
In addition to that who "Needs" the item really is subjective, especially when you add the "who needs the item most" to it. To me, it sounds like a fair system. It won't force undergeared players to go for roles they aren't comfortable in with their current gear level because it's the only way they'll gear up a spec they may wish to play. I personally would love to try my hand at tanking on my Paladin, but not having the gear, I'm not going to just throw myself at the mercy of the fights and hope I come out okay. Instead, I queue up as a healer and roll on the gear I need, that being tanking gear, when I get the chance to do dungeons.
Likewise, with the "Who needs it the most" argument, does it then come down to who performed better should have priority? Should it be who is going to get the biggest upgrade? At what point do you decide that someone doesn't need it, but someone else does? What if someone wants to tank, but is told, "Sorry we have enough tanks already"? Should they not be allowed to roll on that item because they were forced to switch to DPS?
Ok. Bye bye then. Oh and this is a panda-free thread, thank you.
Well in your scenario, you are a tank rolling "need" for dps gear. If a dps player rolls "need" and wins thanks to the role bonus, then the system is working, isn't it? You can still win the item for your offspec if none of the dpsers need it. If you want to gear up your dps offspec by ninjaing gear as a tank, then... too bad.
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Its posible that it will work like this:
Tank item drops---
Dps can roll only once--he rolls 55
Tank gets 2 dices--1st is 30 and second is 60
Tank wins the item by 60
Dps item drops:
Tank rolls on a item--he rolls 80
Dps rolls on a item--rolls 1 and 15
tank wins the item
Don't sweat the details!!!
Sounds good, looks like at least something's being done to prevent OS rolls.
However, it doesn't look like something that would affect tokens. It shouldn't matter for the first week or so, when everyone needs them for MS, but a few weeks down the line, there'll probably be people rolling on tokens for OS. I don't see how these could detect specs unless, god forbid, they pull a BH and make bosses drop tier instead.
I really hope that doesn't happen .
It always comes down to this argument. You shall now tell me that to get DPS gear one must go through the punishment of a longer queue time. It is going through this queue that gives you the right to obtain DPS kit.
However, that is not why there is a queue time. The queue time is there because there are lack of players able to fill the other roles. You're not being punished for wanting DPS gear, you're being punished for being unable to fill the roles that are most needed. Going through the wait time gives you the right to play as the dps role, it does not necessarily give you dominance over dps loot.
A DPS player who happens to be able to fill the tank role too, is not queue jumping. He is merely helping out the system as required. This is why his queue time was shorter. It doesn't mean that he should be banned from rolling on the DPS loot.
Once again I call for the implementation of a system that lets you select multiple roles that you can fill, but also gives the ability to select a single one as a MS. Such that you can be useful without being punished.
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If a tank ninja's a tanking chest when he's already wearing something better, he can just get kicked from the group by the other players. While the tank himself won't suffer too much from re-queuing, it's still time lost compared to simply passing/greeding on loot he does not need. Same goes for healers and DPSers needing on stuff when they're already wearing better stuff.
There's only 1 thing this system might change if it goes live, and that's allowing players to roll need for off-spec items without having to wait on the MS players to pass/greed the items and politely asking first. Though that means we'll get even less pug interaction during LFD runs.
Of course, that means +100 role bonus would be necessary.
TBH I think the idea behind a bonus is a flawed fix to a problem with a tangible solution: Just add MS/OS Need rolls. If they can see what role you are, and then internally know what piece of gear goes for what roll, just enable the rolls to simulate the traditional Pug MS > OS rule. MS > OS > Greed = Disenchant and half the problems go away; you CAN'T "ninja" tank gear as DPS if the person flagged as tank also rolls Need - the system won't allow it. However if they pass or greed/DE or whatever, then the rolls go to anyone who rolls for OS.
I suppose the concept behind that could be put into this bonus thing by having a bonus for main spec and penalty for OS, but that's not getting away from the problem an there's still a chance an OS roll w/penalty would beat a MS roll w/bonus.
And, of course, there's a much easier solution that nobody uses: Just ask first. If a piece of gear drops that's an upgrade for your OS, just ask if you can roll for OS. Of course given how people are in this game, that involves talking to others and being polite, so it will never happen...
Last edited by Nobleshield; 2011-10-07 at 11:25 AM.
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It is going to be a hilarious joke on you in a couple weeks
Same with the need bonus They are doing something. That's enough basis.
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The cool system would be do a raid vote on whether or not allow offspecs.
If the vote passes: everybody can roll for offspecs (whether or not there will be mainspec bonus)
If doesn't: only for the spec you are in now.
And it will also allow to see what you are getting into in relation to rolls.
That suggestion could work. It is similar to the idea of splitting the "need" roll into "ms" and "os" rolls, which has been around for a while. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any problems this could cause, but Blizz might not want to add complexity to the user interface (though I personally wouldn't mind).
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I'm wondering if we're going to see people respeccing right after a boss kill to get the bonus to their need roll on that one offspec item.