Fury guidelines and FAQ

[Geezer]

After following MMO-Champion for several years, I finally decided to join in the Forums, so this is my initial post. I enjoy playing my Fury Warrior (DW,85) but at times struggle with maintaining rage. Are there any tips or suggestions you guys could make to ease that struggle? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[Mustakrakish]

Something has been on my mind for a while now: why is BT prioritized (and MS for Arms for that matter aswell) before CS? I thought CS was at the top because more uptime of the debuff. Or do you want to hit it if it only just clips the global of a BT? I know this is Fury and it's easier to maintain the debuff but at Arms sometimes it can be tricky with back-to-back CS refreshes.
@ Geezer
Depending on your level of gear, pre-pull, BS and zerker rage and Heroic Leap in, you don't want to pop DW and Recklessness straight away because you may not even have enough rage to follow your BT with a CS. Try and pool your rage a bit before unleashing your CDs. You really shouldn't have any rage problems, providing you're soft hit and expertise capped. When I first hit 85 and hit those soft caps I never had enough rage to Heroic Strike. Once. But I definitely had enough rage for my bread 'n' butter abilities. So, I'm going out on a limb here and saying don't HS. It's there as a rage dump. It's damage isn't all that great and only use it sparingly (65+ rage is my threshold). That was definitely the hardest thing for me to get accustomed to in Cata. Going from WotLK and spamming HS to this was very hard indeed.

[Mammoth]

Something has been on my mind for a while now: why is BT prioritized (and MS for Arms for that matter aswell) before CS? I thought CS was at the top because more uptime of the debuff. Or do you want to hit it if it only just clips the global of a BT? I know this is Fury and it's easier to maintain the debuff but at Arms sometimes it can be tricky with back-to-back CS refreshes.

With my limited understanding of fury, I believe it is to limit the number of empty GCDs. CS, Slam, RB are all fairly infrequent, whilst BT can be used every other CD. By doing a rotation

BT > something > BT > somthing > BT > something > BT >

you minimise the change of there not being a something to push. If you merely prioritise CS > RB > BT, you'll find that you'll have nothing to do after the BT and you're wasting GCDs.

[Starsinn]

With my limited understanding of fury, I believe it is to limit the number of empty GCDs. CS, Slam, RB are all fairly infrequent, whilst BT can be used every other CD. By doing a rotation

BT > something > BT > somthing > BT > something > BT >

you minimise the change of there not being a something to push. If you merely prioritise CS > RB > BT, you'll find that you'll have nothing to do after the BT and you're wasting GCDs.

That is correct.

[anklebite]

This guide helped a lot but I just have one question. When is the best time to pop Death Wish and Recklessness? I know it sad during hero dose that mean I save them till then or can I use them right of the bet when boss is pulled?

[Volitans]

depends on when you pop lust...

If you pop it at the end, and the fight is long enough, you can use it right at the beginning, and it will be back up for lust. That is also the time to use a golemblood potion, and any on-use trinkets (or synapse springs as an engineer)

[anklebite]

Cool thank you

[Firebert]

Nothing on Fury PvP?

I've been running about with this spec for a while, and was wondering if any points could be moved about to improve it. Noting that I suck at interrupting (read: get juked far too often) would it be worth moving points out of the bleed to Drums of War to give me a better chance, or moving out of Rude Interruption into Executioner?

I'm full Ruthless with 2P Cataclysmic and a Cataclysmic Cruelty ring, sitting on about 4.9k Resilience. Enchants will be fixed when I've got some money coming in.

[dwadhams23]

First of all let me say thanks for the guide and for all the people who've commented on the thread! This information is invaluable for a newbie warrior. I've got a question though. Could I get a quick rundown for managing enrages as Fury? If I am currently enraged, should I delay DW even if it comes off cd to maximize enrage uptime? When do I use BR? Whenever if it's off CD and I am not enraged or is there is a specific timing to do it correctly?

Again, I appreciate all the information. ^^

[Mest]

First of all let me say thanks for the guide and for all the people who've commented on the thread! This information is invaluable for a newbie warrior. I've got a question though. Could I get a quick rundown for managing enrages as Fury? If I am currently enraged, should I delay DW even if it comes off cd to maximize enrage uptime? When do I use BR? Whenever if it's off CD and I am not enraged or is there is a specific timing to do it correctly?

Again, I appreciate all the information. ^^

Don't use DW to get enraged. Use it when it's appropriate, like, when under the effects of trinket procs, Golemsblood, Heroism or similar, or when you enter a phase during an encounter where you have increased damage dealth and/or need to burst damage. It depends on the encounter. If such a phase is just seconds away and you'd have an empty GCD because you're not enraged, then it may well be worth using DW slightly earlier. I've never seen it discussed though.

It's been suggested at some point that using BR on cooldown for the rage actually generated higher DPS through additional Heroic Strikes than using BR when not enraged. I'm not sure what was concluded in the end, but it makes more sense to me to avoid RNG and therefore use BR when not enraged and you want to do a RB.

[Seramore]

When there are times where my Enrage is about to go away or when a fear is about to happen, I'll wait a few seconds to use Berserker Rage. Other than that, I generally use it off cooldown.

[Pet0r-the-Pan]

i wanna lvl up my warri next is this guide up to date?

[Mest]

Yes it is.

[Fizzelkazoo]

After searching through WoL files for top guilds (Vodka and Blood Legion for example) both during and after progression, I have found that these warriors are still choosing to raid as Fury instead of Arms despite the lower (theoretical and somewhat real) damage output. Am I missing something about Fury that would justify the lower damage output? Are the smarter warriors still picking Fury over Arms for legitimate reasons, or is this just a matter of pure preference?

I'm currently raiding as arms in a guild that is progressing through 25m hard modes, and would like to maximize my benefit to the guild to better our progression attempts.

P.S. I was Fury for all of Firelands, but had to switch to tanking for DS. Recently, we recruited a new tank so I'm finally able to dps again, which is the reason for my gear being somewhat lacking.

[Saevus.Reptile]

They're done with progression and most likely more interested in the fury playstyle. There's no real other reason than "playing what they wish to" as there's no real challenge left.

[Firebert]

Just some information in case anyone wants to PvP as Fury:

Spec and Glyphs: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LG0fZhbrssdkofd:zkmfmwmz0

Stat weights:
MH DPS: 5.91
Strength: 2.98
Resilience: 2.97
OH DPS: 2.7
Expertise: 2.47 up to cap (5%), then 0
Hit: 2.47 up to cap (5%), then 1.75
Crit: 1.98
Mastery: 1.57
Agility: 1.46
Haste: 1.37
Attack Power: 1.36

Use AskMrRobot for gear and WoWReforge for reforging if you wish, as AMR tends not to overcap stats in order to hit the caps.
Be aware that you have very little control as Fury beyond Piercing Howl and Intercept Stun.
Be aware that your rage generation will fluctuate a lot, depending on how many white hits you can get on your opponent.
Save your enrage effects for times when there are no Rogues, Hunters or Druids about.
Don't bother with Gurthalak. Fury PvP needs all the consistency it can get.
Keep your shouts on cooldown, as doing so out of combat is nearly rage-neutral.
Your mastery affects Glyph of Berserker Rage, causing it to often generate more than 5 rage.
Use the PvE rotation, but keep buttons such as Whirlwind, Sunder Armor and Demoralising Shout on your bars for times where your utility is needed (AoEing, Blood DKs and any hard-hitting melee respectively).
This generates some very nice large numbers, both as Crits on other characters and on your character pane (I'm currently sitting on 5033 resilience and ~22.5% crit). So long as you have someone who can control your opponent for you (Frost Mage) with you, you should be perfectly fine in PvP.

[Rayhn]

Just picked up two No'Kaled, the Elements of Death for my SMF spec and am wondering if they're better than 2x Hand of Morchok.

Does anyone have any solid information on this?

[Seramore]

Don't hold me to it, but I believe No'Kaled in MH and Morchok in OH is the best DPS setup.

[Triadragon]

Hey guys, I'm prot MS but with alot of fights being 1 tank, I go arms and keep fairly competitive damage with the rest of the dps in our raid. *I did play TG fury throughout BC/Wrath/T11/T12 but as we had the crit buff and no bleed buff for our rogue I went arms for DS. *I prefer the playstyle of TG though, and just recently picked up the normal version of Gurthalak as an upgrade to my LFR version. *There's not a need for me to play arms for the rogue's bleed buff anymore, and I was wondering how TG will work with normal Gurth in MH and LFR Gurth in OH vs. Arms w/ normal Gurth. *This is assuming of course, that my dps gear which is mostly regular DS with a mix of LFR will be reforged and regemmed for TG play instead of Arms. *

P.S. My raid comp has sufficient AOE to take out adds on H Yorshazj so keeping Blood & Thunder w/ Bladestorm isn't a requirement for us, and as we aren't progressing on heroic spine anytime soon, I don't foresee relying on procs to be an issue for our raid group, which is 3/8H atm. *

Thanks!

[lukesh]

I was wondering how TG will work with normal Gurth in MH and LFR Gurth in OH vs. Arms w/ normal Gurth.

it won't work very well since you're losing a ton of potential secondary stats when you use an lfr gurth (or any gurth) in your OH. the OH proc won't make up for the stat loss you will have. you should stay arms 'til you get a heroic slicer (or ataraxis, but i guess the slicer is more in range since your progress is 3/8H) which you'll want to put in your OH.

but either way you'll have a dps loss if you switch to fury.