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    Fury TG 4.3 BiS list

    ***This thread is subject to change and is a work in progress***


    Pre-note:
    Calculations were based on a Mastery Heavy build pre patch, see further down the thread


    Table of Contents


    I: BiS List TG Fury

    II: BiS List SMF

    III: BiS List Arms

    IV: New Damage Breakdowns TG (4.3)

    V: Specific Dragon Soul boss fight tips on min/max

    VI: TG vs. SMF and Arms in 4.3

    VII: Hit vs Mastery in 4.2 and 4.3

    VIII: Credits
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    PRE NOTE:

    Stat priorities through reforging changed post 4.2 patch
    New order or priority is now (ASSUMING YOU HAVE T13 2SET)

    26 exp > Hit (to 17% marker) >= Crit (equal to Hit at 17%) > Haste > Mastery
    I: BiS List TG Fury:

    Helm Colossal Dragonplate Helmet

    Enchant: Arcanum of the Dragonmaw
    Gems: Reverberating Shadowspirit Diamond (Meta), Bold Queen's Garnet (Red)
    Reforge: Crit -> Hit
    Drop Location: Warmaster Blackhorn - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Neck: Necklace of Black Dragon's Teeth

    Reforge: None
    Drop Location: Valor Points 1250

    Shoulders: Backbreaker Spaulders

    Enchant: Greater Inscription of Jagged Stone
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x2)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit
    Drop Location: Spine of Deathwing - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Cloak: Dreamcrusher Drape

    Enchant: Enchant Cloak - Greater Critical Strike
    Reforge: None
    Drop Location: Valor Points 1250

    Chest: Colossal Dragonplate Battleplate

    Enchant: Enchant Chest - Peerless Stats
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x2), Inscribed Lava Coral (Yellow)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit
    Drop Location: Ultraxion - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Bracers: Rockhide Bracers

    Enchant: Enchant Bracer - Major Strength
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x2)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit
    Drop Location: Morchok - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Gloves: Colossal Dragonplate Gauntlets

    Enchant: Enchant Gloves - Mighty Strength
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red)
    Reforge: None
    Drop Location: Warlord Zon'ozz - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Waist: Runescriven Demon Collar

    Enchant: Ebonsteel Belt Buckle
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Redx3)
    Reforge: Mast -> Hit
    Drop Location: Hagara the Stormbinder - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Legs: Colossal Dragonplate Legplates

    Enchant: Dragonscale Leg Armor
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x3)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Crit
    Drop Location: Yor'sahj The Unsleeping - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Boots: Treads of Crushed Flesh

    Enchant: Enchant Boots - Lavawalker
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x2)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit
    Drop Location: Warlord Zon'ozz Heroic

    Ring 1: Breathstealer Band

    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit for 691 exp cap, Mastery -> Expertise for 781 exp cap
    Drop Location: Random Boss Drop - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Ring 2: Curled Twilight Claw

    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Crit
    Drop Location: Ultraxion - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Trinket 1: Creche of the Final Dragon

    Drop Location: Ultraxion - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Trinket 2: Eye of Unmaking

    Drop Location: Spine of Deathwing - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Trinket 3: Bone-Link Fetish

    Drop Location: Random Boss Drop - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Main Hand: Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps

    Enchant: Enchant Weapon - Landslide
    Drop Location: Madness of Deathwing - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Off-Hand: Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps

    Enchant: Enchant Weapon - Landslide
    Drop Location: Madness of Deathwing - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Ranged: Darting Chakram

    Reforge: Expertise -> Hit for 691 exp cap, Crit -> Hit for 781 exp cap

    Drop Location: Valor Points 700

    CAPS: EXP: 689 for Human like Racials
    797 for Worgen like Racials



    II: BiS List SMF


    Helm Colossal Dragonplate Helmet

    Enchant: Arcanum of the Dragonmaw
    Gems: Reverberating Shadowspirit Diamond (Meta), Bold Queen's Garnet (Red)
    Reforge: Crit -> HIt
    Drop Location: Warmaster Blackhorn - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Neck: Necklace of Black Dragon's Teeth

    Reforge: None
    Drop Location: Valor Points 1250

    Shoulders: Backbreaker Spaulders

    Enchant: Greater Inscription of Jagged Stone
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x2)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit
    Drop Location: Spine of Deathwing - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Cloak: Dreamcrusher Drape

    Enchant: Enchant Cloak - Greater Critical Strike
    Reforge: None
    Drop Location: Valor Points 1250

    Chest: Colossal Dragonplate Battleplate

    Enchant: Enchant Chest - Peerless Stats
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x2), Inscribed Lava Coral (Yellow)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit
    Drop Location: Ultraxion - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Bracers: Rockhide Bracers

    Enchant: Enchant Bracer - Major Strength
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x2)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit
    Drop Location: Morchok - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Gloves: Colossal Dragonplate Gauntlets

    Enchant: Enchant Gloves - Mighty Strength
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red)
    Reforge: None
    Drop Location: Warlord Zon'ozz - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Waist: Runescriven Demon Collar

    Enchant: Ebonsteel Belt Buckle
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Redx3)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit
    Drop Location: Hagara the Stormbinder - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Legs: Colossal Dragonplate Legplates

    Enchant: Dragonscale Leg Armor
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x3)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Crit
    Drop Location: Yor'sahj The Unsleeping - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Boots: Treads of Crushed Flesh

    Enchant: Enchant Boots - Lavawalker
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x2)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit
    Drop Location: Warlord Zon'ozz Heroic

    Ring 1: Breathstealer Band

    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit for 691 exp cap, Mastery -> Exp for 781 exp cap
    Drop Location: Random Boss Drop - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Ring 2: Curled Twilight Claw

    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Crit
    Drop Location: Ultraxion - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Trinket 1: Creche of the Final Dragon

    Drop Location: Ultraxion - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Trinket 2: Eye of Unmaking

    Drop Location: Spine of Deathwing - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Trinket 3: Bone-Link Fetish

    Drop Location: Random Boss Drop - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Main Hand: Hand of Morchok

    Enchant: Enchant Weapon - Landslide
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit
    Drop Location: Morchok Heroic

    Off-Hand: Hand of Morchok

    Enchant: Enchant Weapon - Landslide
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit
    Drop Location: Morchok Heroic

    Ranged: Darting Chakram

    Reforge: Expertise -> Hit for 691 exp cap, Crit -> Hit for 781 exp cap
    Drop Location: Valor Points 700

    CAPS: EXP: 689 for Human like Racials
    797 for Worgen like Racials


    III: BiS List Arms



    Helm Colossal Dragonplate Helmet

    Enchant: Arcanum of the Dragonmaw
    Gems: Reverberating Shadowspirit Diamond (Meta), Bold Queen's Garnet (Red)
    Reforge: None
    Drop Location: Warmaster Blackhorn - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Neck: Necklace of Black Dragon's Teeth

    Reforge: None
    Drop Location: Valor Points 1250

    Shoulders: Backbreaker Spaulders

    Enchant: Greater Inscription of Jagged Stone
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x2)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit
    Drop Location: Spine of Deathwing - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Cloak: Dreamcrusher Drape

    Enchant: Enchant Cloak - Greater Critical Strike
    Reforge: None
    Drop Location: Valor Points 1250

    Chest: Colossal Dragonplate Battleplate

    Enchant: Enchant Chest - Peerless Stats
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x2), Inscribed Lava Coral (Yellow)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Crit
    Drop Location: Ultraxion - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Bracers: Rockhide Bracers

    Enchant: Enchant Bracer - Major Strength
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x2)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Hit
    Drop Location: Morchok - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Gloves: Colossal Dragonplate Gauntlets

    Enchant: Enchant Gloves - Mighty Strength
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red)
    Reforge: Hit -> Mastery
    Drop Location: Warlord Zon'ozz - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Waist: Runescriven Demon Collar

    Enchant: Ebonsteel Belt Buckle
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Redx3)
    Reforge: Haste -> Crit
    Drop Location: Hagara the Stormbinder - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Legs: Colossal Dragonplate Legplates

    Enchant: Dragonscale Leg Armor
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x3)
    Reforge: Mastery -> Crit
    Drop Location: Yor'sahj The Unsleeping - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Boots: Treads of Crushed Flesh

    Enchant: Enchant Boots - Lavawalker
    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red x2)
    Reforge: None
    Drop Location: Warlord Zon'ozz Heroic

    Ring 1: Breathstealer Band

    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red)
    Reforge: Haste -> Crit for 691 exp cap, Haste -> Expertise for 781 exp cap
    Drop Location: Random Boss Drop - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Ring 2: Curled Twilight Claw

    Gems: Bold Queen's Garnet (Red)
    Reforge: Hit -> Crit
    Drop Location: Ultraxion - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Trinket 1: Creche of the Final Dragon

    Drop Location: Ultraxion - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Trinket 2: Eye of Unmaking

    Drop Location: Spine of Deathwing - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Trinket 3: Bone-Link Fetish

    Drop Location: Random Boss Drop - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Main Hand: Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps

    Enchant: Enchant Weapon - Landslide
    Drop Location: Madness of Deathwing - Dragon Soul Heroic

    Ranged: Darting Chakram

    Reforge: Expertise -> Mastery for 691 exp cap, None for 781 exp cap
    Drop Location: Valor Points 700


    CAPS: EXP: 689 for Human like Racials
    797 for Worgen like Racials

    HIT: 959 (2 of cap)
    IV: Damage Breakdowns (FuryTG)



    V: Specific Dragon Soul fight wise tips/minmax

    For Arms

    Morchok: *Get 2 more globals in when black stuff starts to spawn, it wont hurt yet
    *Leap out and charge back in so your LOTS wont reset if done properly
    *Save BR for Stomps and/or Crystal soaking for rage income
    *On heroic, if you don't use a 4 tank strat and your 2nd soaker dies, you can replace him using shie ld wall glyphed

    Warlord: * SS Boss/Claws on heroic
    * Glyph victory rush on heroic, enables you to solo a flail + eye without needing a healer for 20 is h seconds
    * Deadly Calm asap so you can use it on cd when going back on boss ( on heroic)

    Yor'sahj * Use Bladestorm glyph for sustained AoE, you're barely slamming here anyway because of target switc hing

    Spine * Drop Hit and Exp because of everything being lvl 87


    More added later

    VI: vs. SMF and Arms

    [added later]

    VII: Hit vs Mastery as of 4.3

    [U]Current T12 BiS stats:

    http://chardev.org/?profile=228990

    **Mastery and Hit comparison 4.2**

    Mastery: 921 rating or 7.14
    Hit: 1370 rating or 14.41%








    Simc stat weights: (bottom line)

    Note: Difference is minimal and most if not all warriors have still chosen for a hit heavy viability simply because it smoothens rage regen and making flurry/enrage uptiming easier. (Although quite a few warriors use the enhanced Death Wish at start of a fight)

    So, to get back to the original ratings
    Mastery: 921 rating, Hit: 1370 rating
    This would turn into: (dps contribution per stat)
    1370x2,13373665949621 = 1965,1337 (for Hit)
    921x2,14300938503584= 2935,9 (for Mastery)

    Conclusion: The turning point of Mastery outweighing Hit is somewhere around the 390 ilvl mark, but this doesn't mean it'll ALWAYS result you in a better outcome on eDps assuming you do a flawless rotation

    **Mastery vs Hit comparison 4.3**


    Current T13 BiS stats

    Mastery: 2724
    Hit: 654 or 8.23%



    Mastery: 2724
    Hit: 654 or 8.23%
    (dps contribution per stat)
    Turns into:
    2724x2.356= 6417.744 (for Mastery)
    654x2.1865= 1429.971 (for Hit)

    Conclusion: While doing this full Mastery reforging, the Hit obviously lacks as you might have noticed. I just made these calcs to make the uprise of Mastery clear in terms of statweights. I reckon there's going to be a mix of mastery and hit reforging, will have to wait and see what the perfect setup will be but your Mastery reforging will for sure have to be > than the 4.2 mastery value you had in 380 ish gear to be of a positive DPS impact to your dps i.e not be suboptimal.

    Note: My calculations may be slightly of as I overvalued Mastery for above stated reasons but I just made it so the mastery vs hit thing becomes somewhat more clear


    VII: Credits

    Credits to Sinnermighty and others to follow for providing parses
    Taken stats from Landsoul's spreadsheet
    Crunchycooki for Gurthalak testing
    Multiple testers of Gurthalak on the interwebs

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    Nice work gathering all that. ^^
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/aggramar/%C3%83urora/simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora View Post
    Nice work gathering all that. ^^
    Thanks :> Still working on some statwise information, will be up soon

  4. #4
    Good stuff, and a nice compilation. Though next tier I'm leaning towards Mastery having a higher value than Hit as we push pass Normal T13 Gear and start gaining more Heroic T13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnermighty View Post
    Good stuff, and a nice compilation. Though next tier I'm leaning towards Mastery having a higher value than Hit as we push pass Normal T13 Gear and start gaining more Heroic T13.
    Will have to see how much hit weights through after a certain value but going heavy mastery is certainly a viable option, even more than it is now

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    Problem. The helmet gem you provided is for a blue slot and labeled as red. It should be a bold ruby instead of an etched demonseye

    also, the sulfuras you provided is the incorrect one. The corect one has 4050 top end damage, not 4300. While it's yet to be determined, It's prbably safe to say that the heroic version of that greataxe is going to have much higher top-end damage than sulfuras, so that would be our best bet for a main hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laundry View Post
    Problem. The helmet gem you provided is for a blue slot and labeled as red. It should be a bold ruby instead of an etched demonseye

    also, the sulfuras you provided is the incorrect one. The corect one has 4050 top end damage, not 4300. While it's yet to be determined, It's prbably safe to say that the heroic version of that greataxe is going to have much higher top-end damage than sulfuras, so that would be our best bet for a main hand.
    Fixed gem. The mace is the correct version though as its the 397 ilvl one, I stated that its a problem with MMO database showing too high weapon dmg overall for most items and there aren't any heroic version weapons/gear available yet so I'll be changing that when I can

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  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Swaggah View Post
    Valorous Chestplate


    and

    Horrific Greatsword

    Would be slightly better no?
    I didn't include most Horrific items, as I said, because their itimization isnt finished but you're probably right about the chest, I missed out on that one (exp management will be a pain though ;<)

  10. #10
    trinket aint going to happen idk what they did there...
    Quote Originally Posted by Boubouille
    You're full of shit honey.

  11. #11
    Fixed chest

    ---------- Post added 2011-10-09 at 09:56 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by adnre View Post
    trinket aint going to happen idk what they did there...
    Probably wont but as of now it's the best option so I'll just leave it until something changes

  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnermighty View Post
    Good stuff, and a nice compilation. Though next tier I'm leaning towards Mastery having a higher value than Hit as we push pass Normal T13 Gear and start gaining more Heroic T13.
    Actually hit will overshadow mastery even more with 2p bonus being oriented around HS usage.

  13. #13
    Almost none of the itemization is complete, and tons of items probably still missing. Nice try OP, but without complete list, this thread is moot.

  14. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimsdott View Post
    Actually hit will overshadow mastery even more with 2p bonus being oriented around HS usage.
    You have to counterconsider that the higher mastery values you get the higher your enrage uptime and Death Wish bonusses will be. It's a matter of simming once gear goes live

    ---------- Post added 2011-10-09 at 11:49 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Ssateneth View Post
    Almost none of the itemization is complete, and tons of items probably still missing. Nice try OP, but without complete list, this thread is moot.
    Which is why I stated that it's a work in progress :>

  15. #15
    In point of arms warrior view is t13 and all off-set pieces perfectly itemized (except shoulders with haste). We ll shut all ugly haste to minimum...pure love Just wonder if heroic BiS ll be so awesome too, cuz in normal BiS are some crafted/VP pieces.

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    Hey, love the list, Its my first time on PTR, was wondering where i can look at this gear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docrottin View Post
    Hey, love the list, Its my first time on PTR, was wondering where i can look at this gear?
    Don't know if you can check the items on the actual PTR version but I'm sure you can all find them here , http://ptr.wowhead.com/

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    Godsend! cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnermighty View Post
    Good stuff, and a nice compilation. Though next tier I'm leaning towards Mastery having a higher value than Hit as we push pass Normal T13 Gear and start gaining more Heroic T13.
    Already has a higher value than hit (according to sims, that is) in heroic T12 gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afrosaurus View Post
    Already has a higher value than hit (according to sims, that is) in heroic T12 gear.
    Same with mine although marginal, I'd imagine that difference will become more pronounced next tier.

    ---------- Post added 2011-10-09 at 05:50 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimsdott View Post
    Actually hit will overshadow mastery even more with 2p bonus being oriented around HS usage.
    Haven't thought about this but wouldn't a bonus which lowers rage consumption not reduce the benefit of rage producing stats rather than increase it?
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/aggramar/%C3%83urora/simple

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