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  1. #21
    Im not a pro when it comes to Holy but i am fairly familiar with it since I have used both Disc/Holy in current raids.
    But i would not recommend going Holy for better mana management.

    And for some reason every time a thread pops up about a new healer having mana problems the usual answer is to switch to the opposite spec of what theyre using...
    In my experience Disc seemed much more efficient then Holy while gearing up, one thing you have to remember is that Disc's strength lies in mitigation and use of cooldowns. Use your Pain Suppression and Barrier during high damage periods, and dont be shy about using your Power Infusion either.. Consider shifting from Inner Fire to Inner Will during those times you might spam shields and vice versa.
    As far as regaining mana make sure you use your fiend BEFORE you run out of mana, usually its best to use the Fiend/Hymn combo to get the most mana possible. If timed with an intell proc or two you can regain about 80% of your mana. Asides from the combo i usually use my Fiend at around 60% mana.

    And just in case your not doing this already keep your shield up on the tank 100% of the time. Rapture is #1 mana replenishment tool as Disc.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by FemaleGoblinMage View Post
    Apparently, since you mainly work with "prevention", spec is very weak against failures of DPSes.
    the idea of 5 mans in cata was that you cant carry failure dps, ie wont manage to keep up people standing in fire, so id say it works as intended!

    having said that, you have 2 controllable tools to prevent damage (shield and da from poh) and 7-10? (w/o-w atonement) tools to heal up damage that already happened + you can gear against mastery, which makes your prevention even less valuable while boost your regular healing. there really are more than one way of playing discipline priest, but if you are so against them and dont enjoy them, maybe picking holy, which has very different playstyle, would be best option.

    imagine the pain some of us had when gearing in 5mans at the begining of cata (cmon guys, guild has to be ready for the first raid for next reset!), before crits amd shields were buffed, before we could buy all the fancy stuff on ah and justice points were only buying us, what was it, 346 blues, rawr

  3. #23
    If you're struggling with disc you're probably not using your cooldowns enough. Disc is (for the most part) a spec where you spam your cooldowns and use other spells almost as filler. You should be using PI pretty much on cooldown, likewise IF. Penance should be the first choice heal if it's off cooldown.

  4. #24
    Just be happy we arent still using 10k absorb shields, that was soo grimy feeling when I first dinged.

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    Disc isn't a novel spec and knowing the fight helps but isn't required. It basically boils down to keeping a shield on the tank, keep rolling PoM, then GHeal and Penance for any serious healing. I use HF/Smite to top people up and PoH for any group healing (3+ people). We have great cool downs and we don't tend to overheal much.

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    i have similar concerns on my disc priest. just got her to 85 yesterday and bought some zandalari/359 cloak gear. i experienced almost the same thing when i got my resto shammy to 85 and entered heroics. but, with my priest, it seems to be hit and miss with good heals being applied and all that. i ran the ending of DM this morning and as soon as i got in it the tank said "great another undergeared healer". A+ attitude, right? anyway, i got them through it without any lose of life and i don't think the tank every went below 40% health. he had like 180K health. but just a while ago, i went into TotT. this tank had 195K hp. it was all fairly good until they went towards that squid-on-the-dudes-head boss. didn't even get to it because that pack of mobs infront (especially with the 2 faceless ones) really killed my mana. also doesn't help when my PW:S lasts a whole 1.5 seconds. i know its not supposed to be a perma-heal, but yeesh.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by FemaleGoblinMage View Post
    Right before I dinged 85, Greater Heal would give about 40-50% of the health of a DPS.

    Right when I dinged, it gave only 10-20%. What? At first I thought, OK, extremely undergeared, So I went and bought a ton of 355+ items that had huge intellect - compared to the levelling gear.

    But guess what, still only 25% - or about - of the health of a DPS. I mean, it starts feeling deficient to even be a healer. What's the point of being a healer when you need 1, 2, 3, 4 ,5, 6, about 10 Greater Heals to heal a 5man!?

    OK, I'm pretty confident this is related to very high end content but it makes 5man initial instancing very frustrating. I'm supposed to be a healer, this is pure micromanagement.

    e.g. I can not use a smite-holy fire rotation on Disc easily on an old 5man heroic with a good gear for it (about 345), I'm afraid I'll go oom and its heals aren't that huge anyway.

    So I resort to a Penance -> Shield, Prayer of Healing, Prayer of Mending 'rotation' which is very, very, tight. I usually end up spamming Prayer of Healing towards the end of the fight and I'm oom.

    If the DPSes are useless, not a chance to do one of the hardest fights. If the fight with 3 DPSes that don't do more than 12-14K dps goes way beyond the regular time, it might kill us.
    Because Blizzard wanted to make the game harder, and as always when they want to make the game harder they wont touch their precious DPS that are the most played role, so they screw the healers.

    They invented this triage where you heal like crap and they promised that, in return for us healing like crap, there wasn't going to be many tank drop mechanics or AOE damage in Cata, a promise they broke in the very first raid.

    Having healed this game for several years, i have to say i never enjoyed the role less than now. This new system suck, but somehow Blizzard is happy with it (probably because its easier to design dungeons with us healing like crap and they dont like to work much).

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by randomone05 View Post
    i have similar concerns on my disc priest. just got her to 85 yesterday and bought some zandalari/359 cloak gear. i experienced almost the same thing when i got my resto shammy to 85 and entered heroics. but, with my priest, it seems to be hit and miss with good heals being applied and all that. i ran the ending of DM this morning and as soon as i got in it the tank said "great another undergeared healer". A+ attitude, right? anyway, i got them through it without any lose of life and i don't think the tank every went below 40% health. he had like 180K health. but just a while ago, i went into TotT. this tank had 195K hp. it was all fairly good until they went towards that squid-on-the-dudes-head boss. didn't even get to it because that pack of mobs infront (especially with the 2 faceless ones) really killed my mana. also doesn't help when my PW:S lasts a whole 1.5 seconds. i know its not supposed to be a perma-heal, but yeesh.
    Your PW:S, depending on your gear, is usually a 25k+ heal. It isnt suppose to last longer then 1.5 secs, just reduce the amount you have to cast and actual heal.

  9. #29
    Dont worry sadly you'll overgear this triage soon. I miss cata launch when it was ok for my whole groups health to be around 50% and I was oom after every pull. Those were the funnest 5 man experiences Ive ever had. it required quick decision making and coordination with your heals. Since like you said it takes several great heals to get someone to full hp. i loved it.

    I only ever get the same experience now from a progression raid boss. Although i enjoyed it so much more in 5 mans where I was the only healer and had to rely on only myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seegtease View Post
    Welcome to cata healing.

    You have to use slow, cheap but weak, efficient heals constantly. Every heal requires a conscious choice, unlike in 1-84. You need to decide which heal is best for the job. If it's not urgent, use a cheap heal. If it's really urgent, a fast heal. If it's kind of urgent and you anticipate a lot of damage, stick with greater heal.

    It IS micromanagement. I love it that way. Healing was so boring in LK.
    I completely agree with this statement. I'm glad that they went ahead and made healing more of a challenge. It separates the really great healers from the not so great ones. Showcasing that you really know your class and how to micromanage it says something about a person's play style. I too noticed that once I had some gear, Disc became much more enjoyable to play. IMHO, I prefer Disc over Holy now :3

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