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  1. #681

    Rediculous, but not unfounded

    Quote Originally Posted by Malynn View Post
    I am a crazy pet collector who has bought all the previous pets. I am not planning to buy this one. At least with the previous pets, I could sorta justify the money by rationalizing that the pet was account bound. All my toons, now and in the future, got the purchased pet. Not the case here. One time, one toon for $10? Nope.
    $10 for anything intangible is kinda ridiculous. But since fake junk is all the rage with game players, its probably not going anywhere. I hope the market never goes dry, or a lot of 30 something's estates are going to look pretty ridiculous in 50 years.
    "Grandma, where is all grandpa's wealth?", "oh honey, it's all in virtual crap hun!", "Virtual crap grandma?" "Yes honey, Grandpa gave his money to people to have them give him UN-unique pieces of propriety art that you can't view anymore, it was part of a game 40 years ago that doesn't work on Windows 15."

    .... pathetic
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  2. #682
    Its about time, imo. As the blue post said "Its worth noting that this creates no gold in the economy".

    So like the D3 auction house, it provides a legitimate alternative to illegal sales/trades.

    The damage is already out there, providing legitimate avenues only makes it less profitable for goldsellers... which means less bots and less hacking... which is good for everyone.

    Personally, I have trouble seeing who this is BAD for... except maybe those few ppl that would rather drop $100-200 to be a special snowflake but can't put in the minimal effort needed to rake in gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullslasher View Post
    LOLOLOLOLOLOL OMG. Legal GOLD selling? Blizzard my boy, you've done it this time. Have fun with declining subs.
    Nah this is good. They ought to just make it so you can buy gold off their site, it would put all those gold selling sites out of business, and we would never see them in the game.

  4. #684
    I'm amazed at how many people on this forum don't understand how gold selling works. You buy the gold from a third party, but you have no idea where the gold comes from. The reputable gold sellers get their gold by buying it from other players. They pay the other player cash for their gold and then sell it to you at a markup. Most of them don't even have the teams of chinese farmers working for them that you always hear about; they're simply middle men in the process of gold selling.

    Now, this is exactly like that with 2 differences. 1)Instead of any portion of the money you play going to the other player it goes directly to Blizzard and doesn't change hands after that. 2)Instead of putting a worthless item up on the AH, you're putting what's going to be a rare pet on the AH.

    Finally, the price of this pet will plummet quickly on the AH due to mass sales, especially on heavily populated servers. This will be the best time to buy this pet. After the initial influx of pets on the AH, interest will peter off and you'll be left with a handful of players buying and selling the pet on the AH, probably with tons of price manipulation because people will see the real world value of the pet as the value of gold. Consequentially, after the first wave of pets onto the AH the price of the pets will stabilize around the price of gold. You'll be able to purchase the pet from the pet store and sell it for the relative value of gold minus ~5% or so counting AH cut and undercutting.

    From the buyers end, this is one of the methods gold selling uses. You pay money to a third party(Blizz), you post an item on the AH(a pet), and a 3rd party buys it. Only difference is the other player doesn't get a portion of the profits, all they get is a worthless item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmiles View Post
    Like many other people in this thread, it's only unacceptable when you can buy PVP or PVE gear. Now I'm not talking BoEs, which can technically be bought for RL money (gold sites > spend gold on AH), but tier/heroic tier.
    Also, like others have said, TCG has been "legal" in-game for a long time. I have personally sold a TCG item from ebay for more than what it was worth for gold ingame.
    Blizzard doesn't directly sell TCG loot cards to the player base through the Blizzard Store. The item is directly tied to the rarity of the card in the card game and only a limited number of them are produced in the entire world. The value of the TCG cards is tied to that rarity. Unless Blizzard decides to do reprints, once the limited pool of codes are used up, there will be no new TCG loot created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisisvacant View Post
    Never seen so many people complain about something they do not have to buy and would have absolutely no impact on them in any way whatsoever.
    Gold selling has already destroyed the economies of most servers and we already have hyper inflation and this is Blizzard saying, not only are they not going to do anything about it, they're going to contribute to it as well. That impacts everyone's gameplay.
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    Vanilla WoW was a diamond in the rough. Burning Crusade cleared the rough away and polished that diamond up. During Lich King, that diamond cracked from being over polished and in Cataclysm that diamond was replaced with a cubic zirconia.


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    Sorry but to me this screams massively of desperation on Blizzards part to get into the gold selling before they lose all their subs (I'm not for one second saying "AMG WOW IS DYING, X IS BETTARRR!" because I don't believe that myself, but they are losing subs hand over fist). We all kinda saw this coming though after the D3 Real life money AH thing a few weeks back. Personally I find this fairly sickening and I've bought two of their pets (both for 50% to charity) but as someone said, damage is done, probably has been for a very long time.. Blizzard are just getting in on the act.

  6. #686
    Quote Originally Posted by ManiaCCC View Post
    But what will really change? Gold wont be created from thin air and inflation wont rise because of that. So only difference is that guy who don't have time to farm enough gold can just legally buy it for RL money.. is that really bad? It's happening all the time. Now there is legal way to do it.As long as best pieces are still BoP, I see no reason to rage.
    You don't seem to understand that it doesn't matter where the gold comes from, whether you buy it from nobody and it's created from thin air or you buy it from 50 people, it gives you access to a sum of purchasing power that wasn't available to you before, thereby driving the prices of anything anyone with deep enough pockets wants into the stratosphere.
    Vanilla WoW was a diamond in the rough. Burning Crusade cleared the rough away and polished that diamond up. During Lich King, that diamond cracked from being over polished and in Cataclysm that diamond was replaced with a cubic zirconia.


  7. #687
    Quote Originally Posted by Shmiles View Post
    Like many other people in this thread, it's only unacceptable when you can buy PVP or PVE gear. Now I'm not talking BoEs, which can technically be bought for RL money (gold sites > spend gold on AH), but tier/heroic tier.
    I think it's a pretty narrow view that it's only "unacceptable" if people can use "real" money to buy tier gear. BoEs and craftables cover a large chunk of your gear slots. Also, of course, you can always use gold to pay for runs/drops.

  8. #688
    Um. Illegal gold sellers don't actually put any new gold into the game either. They either farm or steal it from other people. The WoW economy broke a long time ago, back in WOTLK, when I first reached goldcap from just reselling stuff on AH. Which basically means there was too much gold floating around.

  9. #689
    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan007 View Post
    [2. Trade] LFM Firelands - pst ilvl and ownership of Guardian Cub pet to be eligible for raid
    You are the definition of moronic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggles View Post
    I think it's a pretty narrow view that it's only "unacceptable" if people can use "real" money to buy tier gear. BoEs and craftables cover a large chunk of your gear slots. Also, of course, you can always use gold to pay for runs/drops.
    In what tier has the majority of my slots been filled with BoEs? Oh wait, never has that happened. BoEs and craftables cover the majority of your gear slots if you don't raid or its the first few weeks after a content patch is released. People that sit in BoEs longer than this are people that sit on the AH all day to just sit in Org/SW looking pretty in BoEs (or raiders that are INCREDIBLY unlucky).

  10. #690
    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Nah this is good. They ought to just make it so you can buy gold off their site, it would put all those gold selling sites out of business, and we would never see them in the game.
    thats never gonna happen, they'll just sell it cheaper than blizz, as stupid as some of the ppl are out there, they will fall for it. not to mention theres gonna be fake email and all saying theres special promo or what not lol. blizz is fully aware of that, they just want a piece of the pie now lolol.

  11. #691
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaeleena View Post
    Blizzard doesn't directly sell TCG loot cards to the player base through the Blizzard Store.
    Blizzard doesn't directly sell gold to the player base through the Blizzard Store.

    See how this works both ways?

  12. #692
    Quote Originally Posted by VXBlade View Post
    $10 for anything intangible is kinda ridiculous. But since fake junk is all the rage with game players, its probably not going anywhere. I hope the market never goes dry, or a lot of 30 something's estates are going to look pretty ridiculous in 50 years.
    "Grandma, where is all grandpa's wealth?", "oh honey, it's all in virtual crap hun!", "Virtual crap grandma?" "Yes honey, Grandpa gave his money to people to have them give him UN-unique pieces of propriety art that you can't view anymore, it was part of a game 40 years ago that doesn't work on Windows 15."

    .... pathetic
    Wait, you're kidding right? $10 is chump change, if someone is willing to pay $10 then it's worth $10, whether or not the goods are intangible. I fail to see how you think someone's "wealth" would go into a game. Besides, the whole game is intangible so why buy gametime each month? I mean, when you're old how are you going to explain being poor because you wanted to play WoW each month ?!

    You know what's ridiculous? Thinking the kind of money you as an individual put into WoW, or gaming at all, is much. If it is then you should probably rethink how you're making money.

  13. #693
    Quote Originally Posted by Megaira View Post
    yeah just that. The other pets from the shop were cool because you got them on every char on the account when you added the code to it. This one is just super stupid You buy a pet for the same amount as the others and get it only on ONE of your chars ofc you can send it to alts or so but you have actually buy one for each alt (or buy from ah gg) stupid move blizz

    Edit: BTW don´t see the ah prices above 1k or so maybe 100-500g after a few weeks.
    There is no way that someone will buy a pet for $10 and sell it for less than 1k gold. I would rather keep it myself then or just wait till I can sell it for a normal price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akyno View Post
    I dont see anything wrong with this at all. People obviously have the need for this sort of crap ingame and Blizzard is providing those who need.
    For a "small" fee that is. Now personally I would never spend 10 bucks on a silly looking pet or mount of any visual aspect in a video game that has no value at all, but thats just me.

    If they actually are so many people willing to spend money on something dumb as a companion pet or ingame gold, or even epic gear then why should Blizzard not provide? As long as the same items are obtainable through playing the game, and earning them i simply dont care much about it.

    A simple model like this is made in only a few hours time. The huge amount of provit comming from this could be spend in improving the actual game, or spend on new titles. Gz to Blizzard on some good marketing. Wish I was smart enough to come up with this kind of money income.
    Yeah dream on. You apparently never played a F2P MMO with an ingame item store. If you didn't buy the items from the store you would be so far behind on everyone else that it was far less enjoyable to play the game. Imagine more items like this pet that people can sell for gold. People who are willing to spend money on it will have tons of gold and you will have barely any gold or you would have to spend hours and hours of your time to get it. Prices would be really high because more people have more gold while you barely have gold and need to spend a lot of time and efford to get it. It doesn't matter where the gold comes from.

    Yes, it's good marketing and I doubt they will spend it on improving the game.

    Love it that people think this isn't a big deal. Just like that ugly ass mount. It's good marketing as you said so there is no reason at all for Blizzard not to do this more often (the community proved it by buying that spectral mount, which no one uses anymore btw, and making 2.5 mil for blizzard in only 2 hours time). After a few years the online store will be full with pets and mounts you can sell ingame. Selling gear for real money is also very good marketing, as long as you can obtain it by playing the game right? It's also very casual friendly because it is far better to spend $10 on a piece of gear than raid for hours with a chance of not getting it.
    If you don't see how this can impact on the game and the players you are very naive.

    Q: Why did you decide to make the Guardian Cub tradable?Since the introduction of the Pet Store, many players have been asking for ways to get the companions we offer there without having to spend real-world cash.
    See they know they are wrong so they give these bullshit answers. If they wanted people to get pets without spending real money they could have just put them ingame instead of in the store.

    And ofcourse you will have guaranteed that you will make a certain amount of money. People know what $10 is worth, it doesn't matter how ugly the pet is. Sane people don't buy 100-500 gold for $10 and sane people know that when they spend 10k-15k gold on something that is worth $10 that they made a good deal.

    And this:
    TCG Loot card mounts like the Spectral Tiger have been BoE for a long time now (since patch 3.2), and that was and continues to be well-received, and as far as we've been able to tell hasn't had any adverse impact to the game or economy - despite them selling for sometimes astronomical amounts of gold.
    Those spectral tigers are rare and based on luck and I think mostly sold for real money on e-bay or something. You can't compare the two things. It's a very bad argument for what they are doing here.
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  14. #694
    Quote Originally Posted by VXBlade View Post
    $10 for anything intangible is kinda ridiculous. But since fake junk is all the rage with game players, its probably not going anywhere. I hope the market never goes dry, or a lot of 30 something's estates are going to look pretty ridiculous in 50 years.
    "Grandma, where is all grandpa's wealth?", "oh honey, it's all in virtual crap hun!", "Virtual crap grandma?" "Yes honey, Grandpa gave his money to people to have them give him UN-unique pieces of propriety art that you can't view anymore, it was part of a game 40 years ago that doesn't work on Windows 15."

    .... pathetic
    People are paying a lot more to pollute their body with tobacco and alcohol .... Pathetic.

    And by the way, how long have you been playing games ? How much money have you been spending on games ? In 50 years how ridiculous will you look ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrae View Post
    i dont get why people are always complaining about stuff like this.
    It won't make you stronger in the game.
    If you want it buy it.
    If you want it to earn money buy it.
    If you dont want it dont buy it.
    Problems solved.
    Blizzard is a company and guess what, company's wanna make money.
    And this is a way to make money without directly harming the game. So whats the problem
    So... you don't get that it will have an effect on the gold market. People will get super rich and prices on all things will go up , things already costs a ridiculous amount of money so new players won't even be able to buy 1 x Peacebloom or some oldschool blue item of off the AH because of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippert View Post
    The difference often is, WoW has a subscription fee. Other games are often free to play, so the only way they make their money is with these "fashion" items etc. you can buy. It's more of another subject though. For instance, switching servers in WoW costs reallife money (10 euro's or so), while you already pay 13 euro's or so a month and while the whole service is 99.9% automated. That's disgraceful. There's where the anger of players starts. You can feel it's not justifiable for a game that already costs you money. These "fun" pets however, I don't give a sht. They can cost 5, 10, 20 euro's and still be tradable ingame, I don't care much. I don't see how it hurts me. I just don't buy the pet.
    Maybe try seeing it as a whole instead of the ego way.... it might not hurt you, but will overall hurt the game, which in the end will bite you in the ass. I'm guessing you don't vote either when a new goverment is elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostInTheFog View Post
    I think people are over estimating how much these things are going to sell for in game. There's going to be a lot of supply and not enough demand. Maybe not right away and some people might get rich off these things in the beginning but it's going to pass.
    That may be, but it's still crossing a dangerous line... so what will be the next item available to this kind of ingame trading?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Poinen View Post
    That may be, but it's still crossing a dangerous line... so what will be the next item available to this kind of ingame trading?
    They are crossing that line every time they add a new premium feature. How many lines do they have to cross before the sky actually falls ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheEaterofSouls View Post
    I can't take another one of these days. If you despise it, hate blizz, feel this one thing will ruin the game.....Quit! Just quit! Leave the rest of us alone and please stop the madness. Just save us the trouble. Some of these posts can be compared to what you see on political forums and the US economy. Its just a game! If your mad or not having fun dont play. If you loved the game and hate the changes complain outside these forums. A blue isnt going to walk right up to you. -.-
    Don't you understand that those QQ'ing about it are actualy those who love the game... those that support this move from blizzard does not care about the game and only about getting an advantage, a short cut to glory and riches! Stupidest move from Blizzactivision, where will it end? The open'd up Pandora's box...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Poinen View Post
    Don't you understand that those QQ'ing about it are actualy those who love the game... those that support this move from blizzard does not care about the game and only about getting an advantage, a short cut to glory and riches! Stupidest move from Blizzactivision, where will it end? The open'd up Pandora's box...
    Really? Advantage? Glory and riches?

    I'm a pet collector, exactly what advantage does this pet give me? What glory?

  19. #699
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcis View Post
    You can't just magically hack wow and create 100k gold in your account out of thin air.
    ol good trust in truth ye ? ThereIsNoHackInWow. And have you ever heard about account stealing ?
    Gold selling = you pay real money ---> get solid gold.
    Blizzard selling = you pay real money ----(trying to sell item on AH for days, due to colossal amount of people trying to sell it)---> get solid gold. Quite different ye ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poinen View Post
    So... you don't get that it will have an effect on the gold market. People will get super rich and prices on all things will go up , things already costs a ridiculous amount of money so new players won't even be able to buy 1 x Peacebloom or some oldschool blue item of off the AH because of that
    ... this guy is mad for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaneiac View Post
    It still has shareholders. Private just means it isn't publicly traded.
    Valve are almost unique in big private companies in that they have never sought outside funding - the majority shareholder is Gabe Newell, and the other shareholders work for.. Gabe Newell. This allows them to take a longer-term view on things, which to be honest is probably a good thing.

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