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  1. #141
    Allright, new preliminary SimC with build 14849 is in, should give a rather better look at what's what

    http://www.simulationcraft.org/430/Warlock.html

    also on E.J. of course

    http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t110222-...clysm_edition/

    for the too-lazy-to-click

    Demo 38620
    Affli 36495
    Destro 35819

    Affli/Destro neck and neck, with Demo still a bit ahead, but I'm going to remind you of what Gobulchu said in his post in this same thread (post #137), these are with diferences between what the patch notes say and what was actually in the build so treat with caution.

  2. #142
    I know its not final but with the latest stuff annouced I was hopeing destro would sim higher than that.

    The inevitable comparison with Fire mages wich were also buffed last patch puts them 3k ahead of destro. And Fire is much more versatile than destro becuase they can also unleash loads of AOE.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellfury View Post
    I know its not final but with the latest stuff annouced I was hopeing destro would sim higher than that.

    The inevitable comparison with Fire mages wich were also buffed last patch puts them 3k ahead of destro. And Fire is much more versatile than destro becuase they can also unleash loads of AOE.
    I know that, at the very least, the burning embers change has not yet been applied to the sims, which should be roughly a 1k dps difference.

    Even with that taken into consideration, I was expecting Destruction to come out a little bit higher. I guess we'll just need to wait and see how the sims play out once everything is included.
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  4. #144
    I was going to do some PTR testing this afternoon but the PTR client has decided to not load my character list.

  5. #145
    Just so I understand correctly, that would mean there is a Demo nerf missing? (potentially)

    These results indeed put mastery ever so slightly ahead of crit for Destro, as a scale factor.
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  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by ashin View Post
    Just so I understand correctly, that would mean there is a Demo nerf missing? (potentially)

    These results indeed put mastery ever so slightly ahead of crit for Destro, as a scale factor.
    Seems more is missing than just a possible Demo nerf.

    Also: still paling in comparison to haste, though you probably want that info for what to reforge OUT of not in, so I get that you want to know.

    I'm breathing a little easier now with this I can live with these numbers, with some minor shifts people have talked about that would put things even closer.
    This could be an amazing patch in our class balance. This could potentially mean bring the spec you love/need according to fight, and I'm now more curious about what spec will do well in what fight, as to what exactly the further sims will be

  7. #147
    As a quick reminder with the new 4.3 (14849) sim results, the BiS profile for Affliction was updated to include H-VPLC whereas the BiS Destro profile has yet to have it's trinkets updated. So it's safe to say Aff/Destro specs are closer than they appear in the links above.

  8. #148
    I swear if demo and destro dont get some dispel protection for immolate I'm going to be pissed. So far tho, I'm liking the changes for demo and destro. I doubt aff will see too much in the way of buffs as its the only viable spec for arena and its pretty strong in pve too.

  9. #149
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamygandof View Post
    I swear if demo and destro dont get some dispel protection for immolate I'm going to be pissed. So far tho, I'm liking the changes for demo and destro. I doubt aff will see too much in the way of buffs as its the only viable spec for arena and its pretty strong in pve too.

    it isn't needed for demo while immolate does nice damage for demo it's not required for anything else

    destro on the other hand does need it the and i really can't see why they don't add it

  10. #150
    ok, so destro still the worst spec. great job blizzard.

  11. #151
    Ok i am confused as fudge (no potty mouth here). So the numbers i have right here http://www.simulationcraft.org/430/Warlock.html. Demo:38619 Affliction: 36476 Destruction: 36463. so if i am to understand, some form of the demo nerf has not gone into effect yet and the burning embers buff has not gone into effect either. Or am i wrong? can some smarty smart pants come clarify what's happening? If these numbers are correct all i have to say is wow... doesnt get more balanced than that between destro/affliction (pve wise). 14 dps difference.

    Edit: another thing that I know wasnt accounted for was tier 13 4 set bonus, which heavily favors destro from my understanding.
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  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Jainzar View Post
    ok, so destro still the worst spec. great job blizzard.
    so if it doesn't surpass the current two it's bad? with current changes they are closer together output wise thus making all 3 viable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jainzar View Post
    ok, so destro still the worst spec. great job blizzard.
    4.3 isn't even out yet. With that kind of snappy attitude you shouldn't expect Blizz to do anything for you at all.

  14. #154
    OK guys, it's now up to date ! So Destro is better than Affliction , they are really close , that's quite good !
    go check :simulationcraft (can't post link until few post )

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Jainzar View Post
    ok, so destro still the worst spec. great job blizzard.
    Also, arent those Patchwerk simulations, meaning no Havoc? That would push it up a fair bit on multitarget fights, if there are any of those in Dragon Soul.

  16. #156
    I Think Destro will never be better than Aff on multi target Boss , it will be close in two target fight i guess, but not if more ! And this guys Jainzar doesn't have seen the last numbers :
    Demo : 38651
    Destr : 36980
    Afflic : 36517

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthe View Post
    I Think Destro will never be better than Aff on multi target Boss , it will be close in two target fight i guess, but not if more ! And this guys Jainzar doesn't have seen the last numbers :
    Demo : 38651
    Destr : 36980
    Afflic : 36517
    If these are accurate this is good news! We have 3 competitive specs, extremely close to eachother, which we can rotate to our pleasure. Good times indeed

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by nocturnus View Post
    If these are accurate this is good news! We have 3 competitive specs, extremely close to eachother, which we can rotate to our pleasure. Good times indeed
    Demo being 1,5 - 2k in front of the 2 other speccs are not competetive, atleast not in my book. Between 200 dps of each other would be competetive.
    Despite me love destro the most I will stay demo : - (

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Dastey View Post
    Demo being 1,5 - 2k in front of the 2 other speccs are not competetive, atleast not in my book. Between 200 dps of each other would be competetive.
    Despite me love destro the most I will stay demo : - (
    You have to take into account that Demo is heavily reliant on Doomguard (yes, even after the fix)*, plus gets punished the most from all 3 specs for not being able to be in melee range. So in reality (apart from Patchwerk fights), the gap between the three is gonna be much smaller.

    *by this I mean mainly the ability to line up all procs for it perfectly

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Ariol View Post
    You have to take into account that Demo is heavily reliant on Doomguard (yes, even after the fix)*, plus gets punished the most from all 3 specs for not being able to be in melee range. So in reality (apart from Patchwerk fights), the gap between the three is gonna be much smaller.

    *by this I mean mainly the ability to line up all procs for it perfectly
    And we also have to take into consideration that the shorter the fight is the better Demo is.
    And if the fight is just around 7 minutes duration Demo will also be a lot better due to being able to use a 2nd doomguard

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