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  1. #681
    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    I'm in general looking to find out why our Fury warrior is considerably lower than where he could be on every fight.

    World of Log: http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/36207/
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...zadin/advanced

    I know for a while his gear was lacking, but now he's caught up a bit... so still trying to figure out what he's doing (or not doing) to cause the issue.
    Looking at the Horridon fight, he performed 78 BTs during a 12min fight. That is an average of 1 BT every 9.2sec, whereas its cooldown is 4.5 sec and it should in almost all cases be used on CD. Doing LESS than HALF the available Bloodthirsts speaks to some serious issues with the rotation, and will SEVERELY hamper enrage uptime and raging blow procs. His enrage uptime being 54% is another testament to this, with that crit rate and the trinket it should be more like 80%. Similarly 15 Colossus smashes in 12 minutes is also less than half of what is available in a 12 minute fight. Col Smash is our burst window and not utilizing it properly, or worse, not using it at all, is a big dps loss. Now obviously on a fight like horridon hc there will be times when you want to delay CS, time you are not attacking, time you have to push back your dino etc etc, but it should not make you do less than 50% of the available uses of two of your most crucial dps abilities.

    TLDR logs show signs of fundamental problems with the basic rotation. Im not savvy enough with WoL to check if he is pooling and dumping rage properly but with such a sloppy rotation I have my doubts. It's also worth mentioning he got EXTREMELY lucky with crits during Execute phase, having 11 crit and 1 hit, which actually makes his dps higher than it would be on average given that ability input.

    P.S looked at your council log and notice he only used Dragon Roar twice in a 5min fight, that could even be once if hit hit two targets in the beginning of the fight when Malakk and Sul are usually tanked together. From what I can gather it looks like he has no control over his CDs and keep forgetting to press fundamental rotation abilities. Also only used SKull banner and reck twice on 12min horridon, well I don't think I have to mention more stuff now, you get the picture.



    Thanks in advance for any feedback provided. I've been generally unhappy with my DPS lately, in part because the other DPSers in my guild are kicking some serious ass, and I'm looking to improve over what I'm already doing and/or fix any glaring issues I'm just not seeing myself.

    Armor Link
    us battle net/wow/en/character/kilrogg/Daergar/advanced

    World of Logs
    Last night's Heroic Jin'Rokh kill
    worldoflogs com/reports/rt-xoa0gpxrdzxu61vw/sum/damageDone/?s=1690&e=1956
    (I'm aware part of my lower DPS is my activity %. I was more concerned with living through the lightning ball phases than I was DPSing the boss)

    WoL Guild link
    worldoflogs com/guilds/225949/

    I'm fairly confident in my opener and overall rotation, but just for review

    Opener
    Pre-pot / Shout / Charge+Leap > Bloodthirst > 2 GCDs for Feather stacks OR 3 Wild Strikes if proc > Banner/Bloodbath/Synapse Springs/Dragon's Roar > Recklessness/Colossus Smash > Raging Blow > Bloodthirst > Raging Blow > Raging Blow

    Rotation
    Colossus Smash > Raging Blow > Bloodthirst > Raging Blow > (Berzerker Rage if necessary) Raging Blow

    During CS cooldown, use Bloodthirst on CD, WS on proc, HS to keep from rage capping. Use RB when possible while pooling rage and RB stacks for next CS rotation

    Bloodbath/Dragon's Roar question
    After the opener, I generally use BB/DR on cooldown while still aligning them with a CS rotation (BB/DR before CS, as DR doesn't benefit from CS debuff). However I don't try to line them up with trinkets. How much of a delay is acceptable when trying to wait for trinkets to proc?

    General questions
    I just picked up the Uroe on Monday night, so older logs are with Greatsword in MH, and Uroe (502) in OH. I'm currently using Feathers and Shado-Pan Assault trinket, but have Talisman of Rage (522) and Gaze of the Twins (522). SimCraft shows me best off using Feathers/Gaze, but the difference is pretty small. I believe Feathers/Rage will come out ahead when I get 4-piece. Is 4-piece using two 502s worth dropping 2-piece of 496/500 T14? Ultimately I'm just at a loss as to what I can do to eek out the damage I think I should be doing.

    (Sorry, still can't post links)
    You seem to have the fundamentals all in order, don't use Leap when charging tho, use it inbetween GCDs during CS. Since you have feather you could try doing Dragon Roar at the end of your CD window instead of at the start as is standard. The extra 15k str or so will make it hit significantly harder(I dont have feather myself so haven't tested first hand). In general your damage doesn't seem low for your gear level. Remember 2handers do a bit less dps on single target, and you don't have 4piece yet either. In any case don't fret cause you can't keep up with a rogue, they are simply stronger than us at the moment, especially when you don't have heroic weapons. If you execute your rotation the way you have described in your post you should be doing dps close to your realistic max. Ofc there are always small tweaks you can do fight to fight and just work on optimizing your rage pooling etc.

    As for delaying CDs to sync with trinkets, it should be a dps increase as long as you don't delay so much that you lose out on a potential extra use, i.e 1min over the course of a fight for BB/DR.
    Last edited by Mataru; 2013-05-09 at 04:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sagittary View Post
    It's a 1.5 second cast time modified by haste. You're losing a full GCD + latency, plus it interrupts your melee swings which is your highest damage source by far (except execute in rare cases). Got to be careful on spirit kings though, since it does damage, it still procs the shield, and then removes the debuff.
    Not to mention the rage cost.

  3. #683
    Hi guys, would love if people could give me a shove in the right direction, Ive been doing what I feel is particularly poorly recently, I feel could do with a couple of pointers to help me tighten up my play.

    Here are my guilds logs from last night, my armory is in my signature.
    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/tg2qazocsme378gw/

    Thanks very much.

  4. #684
    Hi guys, i was looking for response on my idea for increased DPS:

    I was wondering, isnt it better to save Raging Blow! stacks for the colossus smash?

    Scenario: You have less than 11 seconds cd left on CS (Raging Blow! duration is 11 seconds) and you crit with BT, you save the stack for when you have CS ready instead of wasting it on a target without the CS debuff, shouldnt this increase your DPS significally?

    This would obviously not be worth it if you get more than 2 stacks while waiting for CS.

    Thoughts?
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  5. #685
    Everyone already saves one RB charge for CS.

  6. #686
    Noticed previously your fury was tanking. I suggest to let ur fury go arms. Fury rotation is much harder to perfect. I suspect that given his current level dps experience, arms maybe better for him. He can take tips from your other arms warrior. Anyways, your roster seems good enough , why not let him tank and get another dps replacement?

    Quote Originally Posted by promdate View Post
    I'm in general looking to find out why our Fury warrior is considerably lower than where he could be on every fight.

    World of Log: http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/36207/
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...zadin/advanced

    I know for a while his gear was lacking, but now he's caught up a bit... so still trying to figure out what he's doing (or not doing) to cause the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankz0 View Post
    Hi guys, i was looking for response on my idea for increased DPS:

    I was wondering, isnt it better to save Raging Blow! stacks for the colossus smash?

    Scenario: You have less than 11 seconds cd left on CS (Raging Blow! duration is 11 seconds) and you crit with BT, you save the stack for when you have CS ready instead of wasting it on a target without the CS debuff, shouldnt this increase your DPS significally?

    This would obviously not be worth it if you get more than 2 stacks while waiting for CS.

    Thoughts?
    I'd advise reading the past 5-6 pages of this thread. Should answer any/all questions.

  8. #688
    Quote Originally Posted by Mataru View Post
    You seem to have the fundamentals all in order, don't use Leap when charging tho, use it inbetween GCDs during CS. Since you have feather you could try doing Dragon Roar at the end of your CD window instead of at the start as is standard. The extra 15k str or so will make it hit significantly harder(I dont have feather myself so haven't tested first hand). In general your damage doesn't seem low for your gear level. Remember 2handers do a bit less dps on single target, and you don't have 4piece yet either. In any case don't fret cause you can't keep up with a rogue, they are simply stronger than us at the moment, especially when you don't have heroic weapons. If you execute your rotation the way you have described in your post you should be doing dps close to your realistic max. Ofc there are always small tweaks you can do fight to fight and just work on optimizing your rage pooling etc.

    As for delaying CDs to sync with trinkets, it should be a dps increase as long as you don't delay so much that you lose out on a potential extra use, i.e 1min over the course of a fight for BB/DR.
    Thanks for the feedback. I'll definitely check out delaying DR until I the end of Bloodbath for the increased Str from feathers, great idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daergar View Post
    Thanks for the feedback. I'll definitely check out delaying DR until I the end of Bloodbath for the increased Str from feathers, great idea.
    Honestly unless feather has just proced at the start of a fight, or right near execute phase I'll very rarely delay DR to line with it, because it tends to mess with other things more than it helps. yes, if done well it'll lead to a DPS gain, but the potential to mess up and cost more DPS if not done right is fairly high.

  10. #690
    Powerauras and weakauras used to tell us when to use our Cooldowns but with the trinkets we have in 5.2.. It becomes increasingly difficult to align them. Eg our jikun feathers

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    Quote Originally Posted by senturion View Post
    Powerauras and weakauras used to tell us when to use our Cooldowns but with the trinkets we have in 5.2.. It becomes increasingly difficult to align them. Eg our jikun feathers
    Again, you DO NOT change your rotation based on trinket procs except in a very few, very select circumstances.

  12. #692
    I hate the feeling of being towards the bottom of the meter and being carried. Looking for help to change that.
    Armory Link - us battle net/wow/en/character/stormrage/Kodeine/simple
    Logs - worldoflogs com/reports/37lcrj9ps0ury81j/

    Opener:
    Battle Shout - Prepot - Heroic Throw - Charge - Blood Thirst - CDs (Reck,BB,DR,SB) - Colossus Smash - Raging Blow - Berserker Rage/Bloodthirst -(May switch in rotation if I don't have 2 procs of RB or not.) Raging Blow - Raging Blow.

    Rotation:
    Colossus Smash - Raging Blow - Bloodthirst/BerserkerRage - Raging Blow - Raging Blow.
    Heroic Strike in between GCDs and to avoid hitting full rage. Wild Strikes during Bloodsurge proc but secondary to Raging Blow if i can get 2 procs before Colossus Smash is up.

    Currently TG 2h but trying to transition to SMF (have 1 weap just need another). Also just need t15 shoulder token to complete the T15 4 piece.

    If there's anything that i can do to improve as a player please let me know!

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    KoWarr. I'm going to let the experts pick through your logs. Looking at it quickly I can see that you are definitely not doing something right. You out gear me by 6 Ilvls and I pull more than you. If you care to compare (keep in mind I am no expert) here's my info for you to see my logs. Crucious > Area 52 > Amicus Fortis. At a quick glance I would suggest putting Dancing Steel on both your weapons rather than Windsong.

    Lastly - glad Im not the only one that can't get a head piece upgrade.

  14. #694
    Quote Originally Posted by KoWarr3 View Post
    I hate the feeling of being towards the bottom of the meter and being carried. Looking for help to change that.
    Armory Link - us battle net/wow/en/character/stormrage/Kodeine/simple
    Logs - worldoflogs com/reports/37lcrj9ps0ury81j/

    Opener:
    Battle Shout - Prepot - Heroic Throw - Charge - Blood Thirst - CDs (Reck,BB,DR,SB) - Colossus Smash - Raging Blow - Berserker Rage/Bloodthirst -(May switch in rotation if I don't have 2 procs of RB or not.) Raging Blow - Raging Blow.

    Rotation:
    Colossus Smash - Raging Blow - Bloodthirst/BerserkerRage - Raging Blow - Raging Blow.
    Heroic Strike in between GCDs and to avoid hitting full rage. Wild Strikes during Bloodsurge proc but secondary to Raging Blow if i can get 2 procs before Colossus Smash is up.

    Currently TG 2h but trying to transition to SMF (have 1 weap just need another). Also just need t15 shoulder token to complete the T15 4 piece.

    If there's anything that i can do to improve as a player please let me know!
    Sorry for a slow response, was hoping someone better than me would take this one.

    In your opener, you want to use reck after you drop dragon roar, rather than before as it wastes a high-crit cooldown on an ability that always crits anyway the way you describe it. Your Csmash peaks overall seem pretty fine, but i'm wondering if you're pooling full rage for them and making sure to get off both 3x RB and 4x heroic strike inside the CS window? Your bloodthirst usage seems to be pretty close to on cooldown which is good. Your executes when I look at overall damage also seem a bit meh, are you making sure to line up cooldowns+the second pot on your executes as well as starting the execute phase with full rage and landing as many executes as possible on a colossus smash? It feels like it's either that or someone is letting sunders fall off for you which would be very strange considering your glyph.

    I'd also suggest trying to work more heroic leaps into your damage rotation, on durumu you only got 2 off during a 6.5min fight, you should be landing at least one per minute. I would also argue that you're being held back by your off-hand weapon, you should notice a significant spike in damage if you manage to upgrade it.

    Hope this helps at least a bit.

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    Don't HT before charge. Don't use reck before DR. Don't pop CDs right after your first BT, wait 2 BT cycles to get more rage, trinket/weapon procs, and ensure you have a RB saved.

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    wait 2 BT cycles to get more rage, trinket/weapon procs, and ensure you have a RB saved.
    Even if feather didn't proc on pull?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Distinkt View Post
    Even if feather didn't proc on pull?
    Yes, if feather proced on pull I'd end up waiting 3 BT cycles, or else dumping DR at the very end when feather was 9-10 stacks. This would clip reck and DR, but that GCD would be used on BT anyway, and even if that BT crits you'd just be using the RB right off since it can't be saved for next CS, so it's moot.

  18. #698
    Hello, i'm a warrior dps since MOP and i know i till have some improvement to do, but i would like to know why i'm not regular. I'm sometimes i can pull a decent dps and sometimes i'm doing shit.

    Sorry about my english i'm french.
    there's a link, i can't give you any direct link since it's my first post.

    raidbots.com/epeenbot/eu/conseil%20des%20ombres/terkhal/

    Btw i'm using the T12 with my prepot to gain the 10% damage buff, does it worth it since i usually wait for the third BT (Feather stacking) to let my opening burst goes.

    Do i burst at the start of jinrokh HM or shall i wait for the water buff ?


    Thx for any feedback provided !
    Last edited by terkhal; 2013-05-28 at 10:57 AM.

  19. #699
    CD usage on Jin'rokh depends a lot on fight duration. Ideally you want your 3min CDs up for execute phase while in a pool. From there you work out if you can wait for the first pool or if you need to blow CDs on the pull.

  20. #700
    I never played war past 40lvl so maybe u can help with my friend.
    I think he can do more.

    Armory: eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/burning-legion/Aeldarian/advanced
    Last logs: worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-0gqtkufpt0dil40h/

    Thx for any help

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