1. #1921
    alright, so i figured out what is probably my main issue as fury. enrage uptime. i rarely seem to keep it over 50%. I have no idea how to fix this. my rotation is generally bt, rb, fs, i replace bt with rampage when i have the rage for it. i have been reading that i should cast of/dos after bc but that means holding off on casting them instead of just casting them when i am enraged. im at a loss how some warriors keep their enrage up for 70-80% of the fight. I sim 900 or so dps, but i am usually in the 600-700 range by the end of the fight.
    i will switch to arms when i sim better than the 561k that i sim no with any combination of gear i have tried.


    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=10

    some of the other boss fights in that raid, i was as low as 450k. I want to do much better than this. I SHOULD be doing much better than this.

    arms armory:
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ch...w/zvifflemeyer

    fury:
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ch...w/zvifflemeyer

    the legendaries i have are : ayala's stone heart, sephuz secret, mannoroths bloodletting manacles, aggramar's stride, naj'entus's vertebrae, kazzalax fujieda's fury, valarjar bezerkers

    any advice would be appreciated.
    Last edited by zviff; 2017-07-14 at 01:18 AM.

  2. #1922
    So i was playing mage my entire life, now i have changed to Warrior, arms it is. Well i think i understand the rotation, but im really struggling on single target tho im 911ilvl now (500-600k dps on the end of fight), this is kind of horrible, i get out of rage lots of times. I know my legends are crap but stilll, i should be able to get at least 900k dps.

    those are logs, tell me please what talents should i go for ST cos im really confused now. I got no 4set and bad leggos.
    edit, cant paste logs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zviff View Post
    alright, so i figured out what is probably my main issue as fury. enrage uptime. i rarely seem to keep it over 50%. I have no idea how to fix this. my rotation is generally bt, rb, fs, i replace bt with rampage when i have the rage for it. i have been reading that i should cast of/dos after bc but that means holding off on casting them instead of just casting them when i am enraged. im at a loss how some warriors keep their enrage up for 70-80% of the fight. I sim 900 or so dps, but i am usually in the 600-700 range by the end of the fight.
    i will switch to arms when i sim better than the 561k that i sim no with any combination of gear i have tried.


    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=10

    some of the other boss fights in that raid, i was as low as 450k. I want to do much better than this. I SHOULD be doing much better than this.

    arms armory:
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ch...w/zvifflemeyer

    fury:
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ch...w/zvifflemeyer

    the legendaries i have are : ayala's stone heart, sephuz secret, mannoroths bloodletting manacles, aggramar's stride, naj'entus's vertebrae, kazzalax fujieda's fury, valarjar bezerkers

    any advice would be appreciated.
    For starters I would ditch DoS as soon as possible. It's not the greatest trinket even with T19 4pc and it's even worse without it as you're sitting on T20 4pc now. It's also instantly devalued the moment you introduce adds to the fight.

    Looking at your best Goroth kill, for example:

    You opened with BC/Ramp > DoS > BT which is fine in order to enrage yourself again after DoS since it's going to fall off in the middle of it (which is why you should drop the trinket immediately), but you decided to save Blood Fury and Avatar until after both BC AND DoS fell off, which is a 20% loss of damage to your opener just to waste the CD on a lower damage area. You also only used it twice in the whole fight which means wasted opportunity and you also only did ~5mil per cast with it the two times you did use it.

    Immediately after you also delayed RB for an Odyn's Fury that is also outside of BC which is a damage loss especially on single target.

    On your second BC window, you popped BT right after BC and then Ramp which is a waste of rage and GCD since the Ramp is going to do more damage, burn the 100 rage you just acquired, AND enrage you. You also didn't hit anything after this 2 abilities so that's millions of damage missed from downtime and incorrect usage ability.

    There's also other times where downtime is just pretty high. Wait until a few seconds are left before Infernal Burning to leap behind a spike and then charge back in immediately after. The boss also has a big hitbox so more often than not you can probably still hit the boss while being away from tanks and melee during Crashing Comet as well.

    Also, grab a convergence as soon as possible. Even if it's the LFR version for now. Quicker BC CDs means more BC windows.

    Reread the Fury quide and practice the rotations. You're cooldown windows are wrong and that's beating the shit out of your damage output. DoS is also hurting you especially since it isn't being used properly. Even a stat stick would probably be better for you at this point. Gamble some nethershards to get something or replace it with a convergence. The downtime is also hurting you pretty bad. You're a warrior with a ton of mobility. Take advantage of it. Lastly, stop delaying RB and BT as much as possible and stop wasting rage. You're sitting at 100 rage hitting other ability rather than burning on Rampage to guarantee an enrage. The only ability worth using at 100 rage before you Rampage is Raging Blow and that's only if you're enraged already. Also try not to be maxed out on rage when hitting Battle Cry. Burn it on ramp even if not at 100 rage if your next GCD is gonna be within BC.

    EDIT: For legendaries try to get T20 for other slots ASAP so you can put on the lego pants. Helps with enrage uptime.
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  4. #1924
    Hi there

    I've been tank pretty much since classic and only this Addon I changed to Fury as I will not be able to attend all the raids with my guild and a DPS is easier to replace than a tank. Anyways my gear isn't bad by any means, but I don't seem to be able to get close to the SIM-DPS (970k).

    Here's a log from last nights Goroth HC kill: warcraftlogs . com/ reports/ fyXL2wvWKatHxPM8#fight=38&type=damage-done

    I'm not really sure, where my errors are. Enrage seems to have a good uptime and I don't see any basic mistakes in my rotation. Still I'm not happy with my damage.

    I know I didn't use any potions, that's something I will change for the future.

    Any advice from a seasoned Fury Warrior?

  5. #1925
    thanks loads for all the pointers. i was reading threads on how to use dos and it was saying bc, ramp dos and as for of, it was saying ramp of and THEN rb. I was a tank on this guy until end of Wod and then didnt raid til recently so im still working out some of the kinks. I have a straight haste trink i can swap out for dos but ppl kept telling me how great dos was. seems i was getting bad advice. im working on getting engine but i have gotten no love so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by zviff View Post
    thanks loads for all the pointers. i was reading threads on how to use dos and it was saying bc, ramp dos and as for of, it was saying ramp of and THEN rb. I was a tank on this guy until end of Wod and then didnt raid til recently so im still working out some of the kinks. I have a straight haste trink i can swap out for dos but ppl kept telling me how great dos was. seems i was getting bad advice. im working on getting engine but i have gotten no love so far
    Ramp/BC > DoS > BT > RB is fine. It's the fact that you didn't use your racial and Avatar along with BC. BC should always be used inside Avatar when Avatar is up. You wouldn't delay BC for Avatar, but you would definitely delay Avatar with BC (though their both up on the opener so no need to delay.

    As far as OF, since you don't have CoF then yea you would use it after your BC window since you have DoS (this will change after you drop it), but it needs to be in place of a Furious Slash (so BT AND RB need to be on CD) and only while enraged. When you get CoF, you'll always delay OF until BC comes back up if BC isn't up when OF is.

    I'd use raidbots to sim, but I'm betting with 4pc T20 the stat stick will come out on top if similar ilvl. Engine is decent, but as Fury you want to aim for CoF/Glaives. BiS for single target and AoE since Glaives scale with the number of mobs. It's a pretty nice combo.

    Don't worry about the advice you're getting from these apparent people. Just review the Fury guide stickied in this forum and it'll give you the information you need.
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  7. #1927
    Hello guys..

    Since i am 914 item lvl
    i am facing a major dps problem. I can barely pull 450-500k dps. my stat priorities almost good
    At this item lvl
    Almost every raid i get into members asking me to fix my dps. Well i know there is something wrong that makes my dps this low but still did not figure it out yet. I tried talents and read few guides but did not get the hang of it.

    i uploaded a combat log where me and another warrior and there is a big differance between us in DMG done

    i dont know what i am doing wrong.
    My guess is the rotation!
    any help from the pro's would be appreciated

    Log
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

    Armory
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ch...ether/grimming

  8. #1928
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimming View Post
    Hello guys..

    Since i am 914 item lvl
    i am facing a major dps problem. I can barely pull 450-500k dps. my stat priorities almost good
    At this item lvl
    Almost every raid i get into members asking me to fix my dps. Well i know there is something wrong that makes my dps this low but still did not figure it out yet. I tried talents and read few guides but did not get the hang of it.

    i uploaded a combat log where me and another warrior and there is a big differance between us in DMG done

    i dont know what i am doing wrong.
    My guess is the rotation!
    any help from the pro's would be appreciated

    Log
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

    Armory
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ch...ether/grimming
    Crap Legos, PVP trinket and DoS for a start.

  9. #1929
    Quote Originally Posted by Tydan View Post
    Crap Legos, PVP trinket and DoS for a start.
    His legendaries are fine; he even has a BiS one. The problem lies in the logs, not his armory.

    Read wowhead or icy veins to get a grasp on how fury warrior plays, then check out the stickied guide on these forums.

  10. #1930
    is this OKayish to have 1kk solo if im simming 1.1kk dps ?

  11. #1931
    Hi people,

    I'm asking this for a friend since he's english isn't too good, so i'm trying to help him, he decided to change from fury to arms recently but he's not performing too well.

    his armory: https://worldofwarcraft.com/pt-br/ch...alon/cataclysm

    logs:https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done (did a bit better on this fight)

    his warcraftlogs profile if you guys want to see more fights: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/charact...alon/cataclysm
    Last edited by Speedblast; 2017-07-19 at 06:22 PM.

  12. #1932
    Hello, first time posting logs, and I am looking for help on my 915 Arms warrior. I've been using the Rend build w/ t20 4pc. Only legendaries I have are aggramar's and Kiljaeden trinket. I usually sim for 1m+, but actual dps varies from 600-800k.


    Here is a bit of our guild's heroic log: (I'm Prism) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done I'd look at the Goroth and Inquisition kill as the others have deaths.



    I've also attached my normal kills: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done


    I know Arms has the potential for big damage, so I am curious as to why I am doing so poorly. Obviously, my ilvl % is pretty bad too. Is it stats, legendaries? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

  13. #1933
    Howdy all,

    Thanks for taking the time to read all this. First things first, I cannot (from work) search the US Armory, so I can't grab a link to my toon (912 or 913 ilvl at the linked log, Kshishtof on Zul'jin americas); will edit that in after work. I've been trying to get my DPS up on my Fury warrior, but it's just been shocking. When I sim him via AskMrRobot I'm supposed to be pulling something in the area of 800-850k on Goroth, I cannot post links as my account is too new, however I can PM links to my last Goroth kill on warcraftlogs from the 8th of August, I'm about 70-75% of what I should be. I don't know if I'm just losing focus over the duration of the fight and messing up the rotation, not optimising cool down usage (wait for all of BC/Abadaa/Flask to be off CD, or after initial opener pop each one as it comes off CD), or just missing GCDs/timing of non-cooldown window rotation. I've watched videos and read the fury guide on here, even got Nooke(?)s Weak auras setup, but I just, I don't know; fucking suck at fury. Even halfassing with my way lower geared Assassination rogue I pull better, and he's not got a BiS leg anywhere.

    Anyways, appreciate any and all help/comments/trolling/insults.

    Cheers,

    Kshish

  14. #1934
    Quote Originally Posted by EbullientPrism View Post
    Hello, first time posting logs, and I am looking for help on my 915 Arms warrior. I've been using the Rend build w/ t20 4pc. Only legendaries I have are aggramar's and Kiljaeden trinket. I usually sim for 1m+, but actual dps varies from 600-800k.


    Here is a bit of our guild's heroic log: (I'm Prism) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done I'd look at the Goroth and Inquisition kill as the others have deaths.



    I've also attached my normal kills: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done


    I know Arms has the potential for big damage, so I am curious as to why I am doing so poorly. Obviously, my ilvl % is pretty bad too. Is it stats, legendaries? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
    1. You should Rend AFTER CS not before (it can procc CS)
    2. Your Execute rotation is wrong, you spam execute till you get 2 stacks of EP AND a CS proc then you cast MS, otherwise keep executing
    3. You still use BC/BS in execute phase (after CS)
    4. Sim is with pots & rune, you aren't using those
    5. Rend uptime could be a bit higher (~80% since you're using it during the execute phase only before BC)
    6. You should be running SS on DI look here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1575764884
    7. If you don't want to respec for bosses keep SS over Dauntless

  15. #1935
    Hey guys ...

    First at all i think i should do more DMG like that cuz when i see the other Warriors in Raid i feel a bit low dpsing.. for me it looks like i use to less whirlwind..

    Here are the Logs

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RTtGvZCd6Yhrf3z4

    and here is my Armory

    https://worldofwarcraft.com/de-de/ch...nn/bimbaisimba

    Maybe its cuz of my shitty Legendaries and a bit to low Mastery.. i have only the legs more


    but u guys maybe have an advice for me

  16. #1936
    Hey all,
    Hoping I can get some constructive criticism on my DPS. I know I'm having trouble with my trinket buff rotations. Any advice would be very very helpful.

    ......warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/15216554/13#difficulty=4&class=Warrior&spec=Fury&metric=dps&boss=2036.......


    Of course the .... are because I can't post links.


    ....worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/aggramar/dem%C3%AEtri

    I have my pawn string and simcraft but still think I can do more.

  17. #1937
    Quote Originally Posted by demitrisln View Post
    Hey all,
    Hoping I can get some constructive criticism on my DPS. I know I'm having trouble with my trinket buff rotations. Any advice would be very very helpful.

    ......warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/15216554/13#difficulty=4&class=Warrior&spec=Fury&metric=dps&boss=2036.......


    Of course the .... are because I can't post links.


    ....worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/aggramar/dem%C3%AEtri

    I have my pawn string and simcraft but still think I can do more.
    Well you have very low enrage uptime (57.12%) should be 80%+. Your gear is very badly optimized stat-wise, you don't want crit on the gear. Missed some frothing berserker buffs. On Harjatan you might gain dps if waiting to pop cds until first adds come.

    Fix your enrage uptime, fix the stats on your gear.

  18. #1938
    Hy everyone,

    since 7.2.5 im on the MS "hype train" but i think my DPS is to low.
    (i played only fury and tank since classic MS was never a big deal for me)
    Yeah i know Warcraftlogs seams a little fishy since Ring "nerfs".

    Armory Link: (can´t post link)
    .......worldofwarcraft.com/de-de/character/lothar/furanos.....



    Warcraftlogs: (can´t post link)
    .....warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/927287/13#....

    my rend uptime could be higher... also got a 895 CoF
    but i think something is worng with my playstyle
    and at AoE fights like harjatan/mistress/host i ****** up ...

    Same on M+ sometimes top but most of the time last in DPS
    Tyranical pure ST also a big problem.


    Thanks for your help

  19. #1939
    Hi guys,

    I'm trying to improve my dps (I am aiming for perfection). While my dps is not "low", i would still like to understand a few things.

    I have simmed Inner Rage and Bloodbath as talents, and of course (I read alot of many reviews and tips etc...) Inner Rage has come on top.

    However, I am having trouble in using Inner Rage, as I prefer to RB ALOT (I love spamming). Is this the only reason my dps is lower? I have tested Inner Rage, and do about 150k less than with Bloodbath!! I just cant seem to get a proper rotation with Inner Rage.

    Heres my warcraft logs (cant post link, so sorry for this)

    .....warcraftlogs.com/character/id/26151531 .......

    Thanks for any tips / pointers!

  20. #1940
    Quote Originally Posted by Cavionus View Post
    Hi guys,

    I'm trying to improve my dps (I am aiming for perfection). While my dps is not "low", i would still like to understand a few things.

    I have simmed Inner Rage and Bloodbath as talents, and of course (I read alot of many reviews and tips etc...) Inner Rage has come on top.

    However, I am having trouble in using Inner Rage, as I prefer to RB ALOT (I love spamming). Is this the only reason my dps is lower? I have tested Inner Rage, and do about 150k less than with Bloodbath!! I just cant seem to get a proper rotation with Inner Rage.

    Heres my warcraft logs (cant post link, so sorry for this)

    .....warcraftlogs.com/character/id/26151531 .......

    Thanks for any tips / pointers!
    you can check in this forum the "Sticky: 7.2.5 Fury Guide & FAQ ", it covers all that you need to know about inner rage. You are doing BB rotation wrong too, you dont spam RB with bloodbath, you use BT on CD even if you can fit another RB and rampage is a higher priority too, RB just replace FS as a filler when you are enraged.

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