PvP gear and bear tanking

[anatom1910]

Hey guys, I was wondering why is it frowned upon to use PvP gear for tanking?

I've researched this and found very few answers, good ones at least.

I don't understand, Vicious s10 is item ilvl 371,which is much higher than entry level raids iLvL 359. I'm looking for stam+agi+dodge.
I see that I will have little to no hit/expertise but threat is not an issue for me. Not only do I have more hp/agi/and dodge in PvP gear* but I have a higher iLvL.

*Not all slots are filled with PvP gear.

Why shouldn't I raid firelands with my current gear

9All PvP vicious are season 10, iLvL 371)

Head- PvP vicious
Neck-PvP vicious
Shoulders-PvP Ruthless
Chest-Obsidian Arborweave Raiment (378)
Wrist-PvP vicious
Weapon- Malevolence
Relic- Convenant of Flame
Trink 1- Brawers Trophy
Trink 2- Essence of the Cyclone
Ring 1-PvP Vicious Accuracy
Ring 2- Widow's Kiss
Feet-PvP Vicious Boots
Legs-PvP Vicious Legs
Waist-PvP Vicious belt
Hands-PvP Vicious Hands

I'm standing at 146k HP and 38% dodge in bear form unbuffed. I will be changing out the gloves and feet with VP 378 teir set. If you're going to say this is why I havne't raided FL yet, I have raided firelands yet, except with my PvE set. Yes I have a PvE set for tanking. This is my PvP 'wondering why is that not better than PvP' set.

In my PvE set I stand at 37% dodge and 142k hp unbuffed.

I do not stack stamina, all my gems are either +67 agi, +40 agi, +20 agi +30 stam (meet some socket bonus), +20 dodge + 30 stam (meet some socket bonus).

My enchants are agi witht he exception of +75 stam to chest. My helm and shoulder both have +60 agi, +50 agi.

[Auroro]

It been answer by Katarn and myself in other posts.

From Katarn:

The OP's question was legitimate, and it was answered quite well.

The rest of the mouth breathers that came in here with no idea what they're talking about and start saying random things tend to piss me off.

But for your benefit I'll go a bit more in depth.

In TBC PvP gear was largely BiS because it had the most Bonus Armor (a few exceptions), and Resilience was much, much easier to come by in order to get the crit reduction you needed.

In Wrath PvP gear was BiS simply because it had the most Stamina, and the most sockets (which meant more Stamina). That's it.

In Cata PvP gear operates 6 item levels above the the relevant tier. That is while PvE went 346 -> 359 -> 372.....PvP went 352 -> 365. At launch the PvP 4pc was actually BiS at the 346/352 level because the 4pc used to be 180 Agility. That combined with the extra Armor (and to much lesser extent Stamina) made up for the relatively insignificant secondary stat loss. Especially since at the 346 level secondary stats that weren't Dodge or Mastery weren't worth very much.

Pretty early on the 4pc was nerfed, and 346 PvE gear was slightly better than 352, with the exception of the 2pc. The 346 helm and shoulders were pretty terrible, and the 2pc PvP bonus made up for the secondary stat loss to Resil.

However this is no longer the case for any sort of relevant content - defined as current tier normal mode raiding. The sheer amount of secondary stats you lose (plus any applicable Agility socket bonuses) on a BiS PvE piece more than makes up for the (minor) difference in Armor, Agility, and Stamina. The only cases where this isn't true is where you have a Hit / Haste piece because Haste is virtually worthless except for reforging into Dodge, and while Hit is worth more than Haste, it's not enough to counterbalance the Agility / Armor gains.

Here one from me.

PVP can be better than PVE when it is one tier higher.

Let take a look using VP vs CP.

Ruthless Gladiator's Dragonhide Robes vs Obsidian Arborweave Raiment

Ruthless Gladiator's Dragonhide Robes
Season 10 Elite
Binds when picked up
Chest Leather
1869 Armor
+391 Agility
+646 Stamina
+40 Agility (Red socket)
+40 Agility (Yellow socket)
Socket Bonus: +20 Resilience Rating
Durability 165 / 165
Classes: Druid
Requires Level 85
Item Level 384
Equip: Increases your critical strike rating by 247 (1.38% @ L85).
Equip: Increases your resilience rating by 287 (3.63% @ L85).

VS

Obsidian Arborweave Raiment
Binds when picked up
Chest Leather
1820 Armor
+368 Agility
+611 Stamina
+40 Agility (Red socket)
+40 Agility (Red socket)
Socket Bonus: +20 Agility
Durability 165 / 165
Classes: Druid
Requires Level 85
Item Level 378
Equip: Increases your critical strike rating by 275 (1.53% @ L85).
Equip: Increases your expertise rating by 221 (7.36 @ L85).

Ok, now let put them against Askmr.Robot default stats weight for FL with the reforging as well.

Agility: 1
Dodge: 0.88
Armor: 0.71
Mastery: 0.48
Stamina: 0.31
Expertise: 0.3
Crit: 0.28
Physical Hit: 0.15
Strength: 0.126
Attack Power: 0.12
Haste: 0.04
Resilience: 0

Gear Score:

PVP: 471+(646(0.31))+(149(0.28))+(98(0.88))+(287(0))=799.22

PVE: 468+(611(0.31))+(110(0.28))+(110(0.88))+(221(0.3))=851.31

Different between: 52.09, 6.12% better than PVP.

If you want to count the 2p or 4p set bonus as well.

PVP 2p: 541+(646(0.31))+(149(0.28))+(98(0.88))+(687(0))=869.22

PVP 4p: 631+(646(0.31))+(149(0.28))+(98(0.88))+(687(0))=959.22

The PVE 2p or 4p set bonus does not give stats but they increase damages or survival, so I do not know how much Gear Score 2p will gain, but 4p I can find out.

If 110 dodge = 0.45%, then 10% should be around 2444 dodge. That Dodge % is not effected by DR.

PVE 4p: 468+(611(0.31))+(110(0.28))+(2554(0.88))+(221(0.3))=3002.03

PVE just left PVP at the starting gate with 2042.81 Gear Score ahead, 68.05% better.

371 is in the same boat as 365 pve, not 359. That is about 12 ilvl points higher, where as 1 tier is 19 ilvl points.