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  1. #161
    Spec Survival
    Item Level 395
    Expectations: Closer if not ranked on current heroic fights
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ypwnz/advanced
    Worldoflogs Link: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-mpa4i4ehm7t04va4/ (Morchok-Hagara)
    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-4mfidvy938wetwt9/ (Ultraxion + Lootship wipes)
    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ihn8hkd9iv1d1q1c/ (Lootship kill)
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=71515

    I'm using Heroic Zon'ozz bow because I haven't seen the Normal Madness bow drop yet. Changing from 410 Xbow to the 403 Bow shows a 500.95 dps increase with the same settings. On Femaledwarf settings, changing from an interleave LnL rotation to the ES>ES>AS>ES gives me about 250 dps increase.

    My current high's on the content are:
    31.6k heroic Morchok ; roughly 42.7k to rank
    50.8k heroic Yor'sahj ; roughly 66k to rank
    45k heroic Zon'ozz ; roughly 60.5k to rank
    35k heroic Hagara ; roughly 45.6k to rank
    42.5k heroic Ultraxion ; roughly 46.7k to rank
    27.9k heroic Warmaster ; roughly 36.6k to rank
    25.7k normal Spine ; roughly 32.9k to rank
    ~55.8k normal Madness ; roughly 58.7k to rank

    First time doing heroic 25 modes on all the bosses so learning curve is a bit of possible increase in dps. Also, it's hard to rank on a fight like normal Madness where you can't take advantage of Spellweaves and Cataclysm buffs when everything dies too fast. Most AOE phases I can only get 2 Multishots before everything is dead and the Tentacles are sub 15% most of the time when Cataclysm is casting.

    Sometimes when I get a lag spike, I accidentally cast an extra CS or AS, delaying my next ES by an extra GCD-1.7 seconds or more depending on current amount of focus. Other than LnL rotation and lag mistakes, would there be a possible way to get closer to ranking or am I at a point where gear matters more?

    Edit: Just today got Heroic Vial and Heroic Spore gloves. Updated dps highs.
    Last edited by Jeremypwnz; 2012-03-15 at 04:24 AM.

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Michaeltt View Post
    well basically I try not to overlap RF with Chronohunter, as I feel that is a waste of haste. I guess I could improve on timing in order to overlap more, now that I have engineering the glove bonus seems to really help when I stack with Kiril and pot
    I may be wrong, but I think that agi only stacks additively not multiplicatively. ie having 100 agi for 5 seconds and 0 agi for 5 seconds is the same as having 50 agi for 10 seconds. Haste and mastery do stack multiplicatively with agi however so you definitely want to overlap those

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Oricc View Post
    I may be wrong, but I think that agi only stacks additively not multiplicatively. ie having 100 agi for 5 seconds and 0 agi for 5 seconds is the same as having 50 agi for 10 seconds. Haste and mastery do stack multiplicatively with agi however so you definitely want to overlap those
    Agi itself doesn't stack multiplicatively directly in relation with more Agi, but as it directly influences both ap and crit, stacking large amounts of Agi all at once is a greater gain than spreading out the Agi procs separately.

  4. #164
    SpecSurvival
    Item Level398
    Expectations:Preferably some nice ranks WoL but mostly a quite big Dps increase
    Armory Link:eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/neptulon/Deeparrow/simple[/url]
    Worldoflogs Link:.worldoflogs.com/guilds/175444/[/url]
    Femaledwarf Link:femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=71515[/url]

    Hey Iam the Guildmaster of this dear hunter, I have noticed his dps is very lacking and our previous hunter performed a lot better and i have tried to help this guy a lot but this is the first time im posting on this forums for him. Basically what im looking for is general tips of how to improve the dps in any type of fight, because his dps seems to be lacking everywhere and any tips might help. Also i didnt really understand the femaledwarf thing since im a warlock myself and i just imported his character and did nothing more. Also iam posting this for him since he doesnt even have an mmo-champion account and i myself made one a couple of weeks ago. As i said ANY help is appreciated. Thank you in before-hand. (I cant post URL-links so i removed some parts of it but u will probably figure out how to use the links anyway

  5. #165
    Spec: Survival
    Item Level: 400
    Expectations: 45k at LFR Ultraxion / 41k at Ultraxion 10HM
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Vtard/advanced
    Worldoflogs Link 1 (LFR Ultraxion): http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...e/?s=405&e=633
    Worldoflogs Link 2 (Ultraxion 10HM): http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=7961&e=8289
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=72063

    Our guild started working on HM 3 weeks ago, and I would like to make sure I do my part to optimize my DPS.
    I tried simming with Femaledwarf and SimulationCraft, seems I am around 1k - 2k below the simmed results.
    Therefore would like to be checked and bashed, and see where I can improve.
    Thanks in advance
    Last edited by Vtard; 2012-03-25 at 05:29 AM.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Vtard View Post
    Spec: Survival
    Item Level: 400
    Expectations: 45k at LFR Ultraxion / 41k at Ultraxion 10HM
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Vtard/advanced
    Worldoflogs Link 1 (LFR Ultraxion): http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...e/?s=405&e=633
    Worldoflogs Link 2 (Ultraxion 10HM): http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=7961&e=8289
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=72063

    Our guild started working on HM 3 weeks ago, and I would like to make sure I do my part to optimize my DPS.
    I tried simming with Femaledwarf and SimulationCraft, seems I am around 1k - 2k below the simmed results.
    Therefore would like to be checked and bashed, and see where I can improve.
    Thanks in advance
    Enchants/Gems/Reforging/Glyphs all look good.

    In terms of your Ultraxion, while stacking RF with Chrono and Lust would typically be frowned upon, the fact that your fight time is 5:28 would allow for 2 RFs (presumably if the first is cast overlapping the back half of Lust) rather than the 1 you got on the kill (line it up with CotW as you got 2 on this fight).

    If you get a 2nd RF during execute make sure to save your last glove proc/pot for it as well as the 2nd Berserking. Again, haste during execute is pretty shitty, but getting 2 RFs overall is still a net gain.

    Save your first Synapse Springs for a Chronohunter/Fury proc, you popped it about 10 seconds early. By delaying it 8-10 seconds you won't lose a proc assuming you use it on CD after that.

  7. #167
    Thanks Jigsawe
    That's really helpful...

    Truth is I've been taking the lazy route...
    I macro Synapse Springs to my Explosive Shot to make sure its used on CD, think I may need to make a separate button for it.
    Guess I need to keep track of the encounter durations of my raid teams to better plan my CDs.

    1 Additional question.
    For bosses which don't move much, Should I put Ice Trap under the bosses to try to make use of the 6% increased crit chance of 2/2 Point of No Escape?
    Last edited by Vtard; 2012-03-30 at 09:40 AM.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Vtard View Post
    Thanks Jigsawe
    That's really helpful...

    Truth is I've been taking the lazy route...
    I macro Synapse Springs to my Explosive Shot to make sure its used on CD, think I may need to make a separate button for it.
    Guess I need to keep track of the encounter durations of my raid teams to better plan my CDs.

    1 Additional question.
    For bosses which don't move much, Should I put Ice Trap under the bosses to try to make use of the 6% increased crit chance of 2/2 Point of No Escape?
    PNE doesn't work on bosses, which is why most people take the stam talent alternative, especially for progression. However, for adds on H Madness (for exmaple) that you have to slow anyways you mind as well utilize dumping your CDs when they're over the trap for the bonus for PNE.

  9. #169
    I guess I have to post a few times before I can post links?

    ---------- Post added 2012-04-12 at 12:19 PM ----------

    Spec: Survival
    Item Level: 396
    Expectations: TBH, not quite sure
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...tomless/simple
    Worldoflogs Link: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ti.../?s=860&e=1163


    Overall, I just feel like I'm under-performing - granted, I have had AWFUL luck with gear drops (still have 4 pieces of LFR gear: 3 being tier pieces)... our guild is a measly 3/8 HM right now and I'm second on our dps meters for the most part behind our rogue w/ his legendary daggers. How much dmg should I be pulling on say, HM Ultraxion or HM Morchok or Yor'sahj? I seem to have bad luck finding baseline meters for hunters in 10s compared to 25s.

    I'm 95% sure I have my gemming/spec/enchants/reforges correct, but any advice could be helpful.

    For LnL procs (I hear those are what make or break dps for good/bad hunters) I'm doing exactly what I've read. ES -> AS -> ES -> CS -> ES. If I have excess focus I just go ES -> AS -> ES -> AS -> ES. I make sure I always have enough focus for ES or BA when off-cd as well...

    Let me know what y'all think. Appreciate any input.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by vecrae View Post
    I guess I have to post a few times before I can post links?

    ---------- Post added 2012-04-12 at 12:19 PM ----------

    Spec: Survival
    Item Level: 396
    Expectations: TBH, not quite sure
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...tomless/simple
    Worldoflogs Link: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ti.../?s=860&e=1163


    Overall, I just feel like I'm under-performing - granted, I have had AWFUL luck with gear drops (still have 4 pieces of LFR gear: 3 being tier pieces)... our guild is a measly 3/8 HM right now and I'm second on our dps meters for the most part behind our rogue w/ his legendary daggers. How much dmg should I be pulling on say, HM Ultraxion or HM Morchok or Yor'sahj? I seem to have bad luck finding baseline meters for hunters in 10s compared to 25s.

    I'm 95% sure I have my gemming/spec/enchants/reforges correct, but any advice could be helpful.

    For LnL procs (I hear those are what make or break dps for good/bad hunters) I'm doing exactly what I've read. ES -> AS -> ES -> CS -> ES. If I have excess focus I just go ES -> AS -> ES -> AS -> ES. I make sure I always have enough focus for ES or BA when off-cd as well...

    Let me know what y'all think. Appreciate any input.
    -For your glyphs, use Arcane Shot over Serpent Sting.
    -For your talents, take one point out of Hunter vs. Wild and put one more point into One with Nature.
    -Your reforging is quite off, there are several pieces (Shoulders/Cloak at a quick glance) that aren't reforged period when they should be and you are 0.66% over hit cap. Use wowreforge to do reforge correctly or some in-game addon, the general priority will be Crit > Mastery > Haste, with 2 piece you can disregard the haste plateaus altogether.
    -Skinning, while not entirely useless is inferior to several other professions, consider switching.
    -The enchants to Cloak and Gloves should be 65 Crit and 65 Mastery, respectively.
    -LnL should be ES > ES > AS/CS/BA/KS > ES
    **If you are only getting 8 ticks using the above LnL, delay the 2nd ES by 0.01 seconds, there should never be a shot fired between all 3 ES'.

    Looking at Ultraxion:
    -Unless you're required to use the Dragonhawk for a raid buff, use a Ferocity pet. While the pet damage is similar, the hunter damage gain from Ferocity outweighs that of Cunning.
    -Culling the Herd uptime was 37%, which means your pet was most likely not attacking for a majority of the fight..don't really know how else it can be this low. Yea, 43% active time on the pet.
    -Doesn't look like your raid used Lust/Hero and you popped your RF with Chronohunter + Velocity, which is a bad idea. Separate the RF from the procs as having a CS under 1s is useless.
    Last edited by Jigsawe; 2012-04-13 at 05:38 PM.

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by Jigsawe View Post
    -For your glyphs, use Arcane Shot over Serpent Sting.
    -For your talents, take one point out of Hunter vs. Wild and put one more point into One with Nature.
    -Your reforging is quite off, there are several pieces (Shoulders/Cloak at a quick glance) that aren't reforged period when they should be and you are 0.66% over hit cap. Use wowreforge to do reforge correctly or some in-game addon, the general priority will be Crit > Mastery > Haste, with 2 piece you can disregard the haste plateaus altogether.
    -Skinning, while not entirely useless is inferior to several other professions, consider switching.
    -The enchants to Cloak and Gloves should be 65 Crit and 65 Mastery, respectively.
    -LnL should be ES > ES > AS/CS/BA/KS > ES
    **If you are only getting 8 ticks using the above LnL, delay the 2nd ES by 0.01 seconds, there should never be a shot fired between all 3 ES'.

    Looking at Ultraxion:
    -Unless you're required to use the Dragonhawk for a raid buff, use a Ferocity pet. While the pet damage is similar, the hunter damage gain from Ferocity outweighs that of Cunning.
    -Culling the Herd uptime was 37%, which means your pet was most likely not attacking for a majority of the fight..don't really know how else it can be this low. Yea, 43% active time on the pet.
    -Doesn't look like your raid used Lust/Hero and you popped your RF with Chronohunter + Velocity, which is a bad idea. Separate the RF from the procs as having a CS under 1s is useless.
    Fixed. How does the reforging look now? I was over the hit cap because I had just received the Heroic chest hours before logging out and changing around my reforges. I was always under the impression haste >/= mastery, but I went with your priority order for the reforges here. Completely forgot I had my Serpent Sting glyph there and didn't realize I was missing the point in OwN.

    - For LnL - I do usually go ES > ES > AS/CS/BA/KS > ES; but is it a bad thing to bleed off extra focus (say you're sitting at 80ish) by tossing an AS in between the first 2 ESs? Or is it okay to just cap focus in that situation?


    As for Ultrax, I have no idea what's been going on with my pet. He just won't attack sometimes. That attempt I just pulled out a wind serpent for the hell of it - I usually rock the wolf or cat; I even have Rabid bound to my CS and AS and STILL my pet won't attack. It's really strange and random. Some fights my pet is up the whole fight, sometimes not. Am I the only one with this issue on Ultrax?

  12. #172
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    Quote Originally Posted by vecrae View Post
    As for Ultrax, I have no idea what's been going on with my pet. He just won't attack sometimes. That attempt I just pulled out a wind serpent for the hell of it - I usually rock the wolf or cat; I even have Rabid bound to my CS and AS and STILL my pet won't attack. It's really strange and random. Some fights my pet is up the whole fight, sometimes not. Am I the only one with this issue on Ultrax?
    I've found for Ultrax, that getting your group to stack closer to the front of platform fixes a bunch of pets issues. Its not only hunter pets either. From my experience if you are too far back then pets, sometimes shaman totems, and weapon procs such as the DW 2hander(Gurthsomething) won't attack the boss. The totems, eles, tentacles just sit there and do nothing

    Might try that, can't confirm that this is an issue, just something that seems to work for our group.

    Cheers

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by vecrae View Post
    Fixed. How does the reforging look now? I was over the hit cap because I had just received the Heroic chest hours before logging out and changing around my reforges. I was always under the impression haste >/= mastery, but I went with your priority order for the reforges here. Completely forgot I had my Serpent Sting glyph there and didn't realize I was missing the point in OwN.

    - For LnL - I do usually go ES > ES > AS/CS/BA/KS > ES; but is it a bad thing to bleed off extra focus (say you're sitting at 80ish) by tossing an AS in between the first 2 ESs? Or is it okay to just cap focus in that situation?


    As for Ultrax, I have no idea what's been going on with my pet. He just won't attack sometimes. That attempt I just pulled out a wind serpent for the hell of it - I usually rock the wolf or cat; I even have Rabid bound to my CS and AS and STILL my pet won't attack. It's really strange and random. Some fights my pet is up the whole fight, sometimes not. Am I the only one with this issue on Ultrax?
    The reforging looks correct now. If you go into a LnL with ~80 focus, you can ES > AS/BA/KS > ES ES instead, basically the normal LnL in reverse, an unlucky Thrill proc on your first ES may focus cap you for ~ second, which should be a negligible loss. I don't have any advice about the pet situation, I knew Gurth tentacles had that problem but wasn't aware hunter pets suffer from the safe limitations; try what Dhryke suggested. Haste is inferior to mastery in all situations with the T13 2p as the rotation is no longer the static 3 CS' between ES'. While the KS glyph will increase your damage on fights like Ultraxion, the Serpent Sting glyph would be situtationally better for AoE fights (something to consider switching back and forth for, if damage is a problem during progression).

  14. #174
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    Spec Survival
    Item Level 400
    Expectations: 42k+ on ultaxion
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...pairo/advanced
    Worldoflogs Link: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/a...e/?s=413&e=727
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=72896

    I haven't been satisfied with the dps on my hunter this tier. At the moment I can pull slightly more on my 398 feral, which theoretically should lose out on most fights. I've been averaging around 40k on Ultra but think I could be doing more in the 42-43k range at my ilvl. The problem is I'm not sure what's to blame for my suboptimal dps. At the moment I just blow it during hero at the start with call of the wild and my first pot, partly because we sometimes pug and the fight lasts 5 minutes with lower dps. I'm also curious if I should be macroing any pet abilities with my shots or cds, specifically rabid. I don't know of how much consequence it would be, but I typically run about 50-100ms when raid time comes around. I'm also considering buying the vp trinket to replace my starcatchers because the haste proc is often overkill and because FD said it was a slight upgrade.

    I'd be willing to elaborate more on what I'm doing in the fight, I'm just not sure what needs to be said.

    On another note, I'm wondering how I should be managing my pet on blackhorn so that there isn't downtime when I'm attacking things out of range. And if it's worth multi dotting with serpent sting instead of dumping energy with arcane shot.

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by roflicerbob View Post
    Spec Survival
    Item Level 400
    Expectations: 42k+ on ultaxion
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...pairo/advanced
    Worldoflogs Link: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/a...e/?s=413&e=727
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=72896

    I haven't been satisfied with the dps on my hunter this tier. At the moment I can pull slightly more on my 398 feral, which theoretically should lose out on most fights. I've been averaging around 40k on Ultra but think I could be doing more in the 42-43k range at my ilvl. The problem is I'm not sure what's to blame for my suboptimal dps. At the moment I just blow it during hero at the start with call of the wild and my first pot, partly because we sometimes pug and the fight lasts 5 minutes with lower dps. I'm also curious if I should be macroing any pet abilities with my shots or cds, specifically rabid. I don't know of how much consequence it would be, but I typically run about 50-100ms when raid time comes around. I'm also considering buying the vp trinket to replace my starcatchers because the haste proc is often overkill and because FD said it was a slight upgrade.

    I'd be willing to elaborate more on what I'm doing in the fight, I'm just not sure what needs to be said.

    On another note, I'm wondering how I should be managing my pet on blackhorn so that there isn't downtime when I'm attacking things out of range. And if it's worth multi dotting with serpent sting instead of dumping energy with arcane shot.
    Macro'ing Rabid in certainly won't hurt anything as it acts funky on a few fights. In regards to your question about pets on Blackhorn, leave your pet on passive for all fights and use:

    #showtooltip
    /petattack [@pettarget,noexists]
    /Cast Explosive Shot
    /Cast Rabid

    Basically, what this does (add the petattack part to as many shots as you want) is that it puts your pet on whatever you fire your first ES (in this case) at, and then regardless of what targets you switch to, the pet won't switch targets from its current target until it's dead. You may be thinking, "well I attack the drake first as they are flying over so won't that mess it up", all you have to do is tell your pet to follow (Ctrl + 2 by default) and then tell it to attack one of the slayers/dreads while you attack the drakes (or Warmaster when you're on Goriona) and it won't switch targets unless you tell it to, or the current target dies.

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by roflicerbob View Post
    Spec Survival
    Item Level 400
    Expectations: 42k+ on ultaxion
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...pairo/advanced
    Worldoflogs Link: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/a...e/?s=413&e=727
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=72896

    I haven't been satisfied with the dps on my hunter this tier. At the moment I can pull slightly more on my 398 feral, which theoretically should lose out on most fights. I've been averaging around 40k on Ultra but think I could be doing more in the 42-43k range at my ilvl. The problem is I'm not sure what's to blame for my suboptimal dps. At the moment I just blow it during hero at the start with call of the wild and my first pot, partly because we sometimes pug and the fight lasts 5 minutes with lower dps. I'm also curious if I should be macroing any pet abilities with my shots or cds, specifically rabid. I don't know of how much consequence it would be, but I typically run about 50-100ms when raid time comes around. I'm also considering buying the vp trinket to replace my starcatchers because the haste proc is often overkill and because FD said it was a slight upgrade.

    I'd be willing to elaborate more on what I'm doing in the fight, I'm just not sure what needs to be said.

    On another note, I'm wondering how I should be managing my pet on blackhorn so that there isn't downtime when I'm attacking things out of range. And if it's worth multi dotting with serpent sting instead of dumping energy with arcane shot.
    Not sure if you use sigil only for spine or what but that's likely one of the big things hurting your DPS. I would use lfr vial and matrix from rag over that trinket tbh.

    When do you use hero/TW? Logs show you using RF at start and normally guilds start the fight with TW/hero so you're losing out on your RF time if you stack it with hero.

    Your kill was 5 min 15 so technically if you used RF at 0 seconds you could get another one off for the last 15, however since you will be improving dps every time you go back I suggest you wait with RF and use it after TW /hero has run out.

    I think thats the major problem looking at your logs, you're barely getting any benefit from your RF at all and at the start there MUST have been some focus capping as I saw 3 cobras in a row all with under 1 sec cast times.

  17. #177

    dps fix

    Hey Guys please I need your help to fix my dps.. i had already asked weeks ago but had no answers

    Spec Survival
    Item Level 398
    Expectations: 45k - 44k+ on ultaxion (now i do at most 41k), general improvements on all fights heroic or non heroic
    Armory Link: please look at the bottom of this reply
    Worldoflogs Link: please look at the bottom of this reply
    Femaledwarf Link:
    please look at the bottom of this reply

    I must be doing something wrong for sure, there's an arms warrior who is overdpsing me for 3-4 k on Ultraxion and i used to be the top dps on that fight, simply not possible.
    I prepot before the fight starts, always. Rabid is macroed with all my shots and so is synapse springs. I use the common shots priority, yes sometimes it happens that i delay some shots too much but i mean it's obvious to wrong sometimes during a long fight.
    Any tips u might give me coming from my logs? I'm sure the answer is there.. it's such a shame i can't beat a warrior.. even in madness where there's a lot of aoe.. i really don't know what i might do to improve my perfomance.. read all kind of guides and such
    Thanks so much in advance for your support

    ---------- Post added 2012-04-23 at 02:33 PM ----------

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    armory link:http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...leris/advanced
    Worldoflogs Link: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/hk4a01ph8ckcwnmh/
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=68636
    Last edited by crushy88; 2012-04-23 at 12:37 PM.

  18. #178
    Doesnt transmogriffing your bow to a gun clash with the troll bow crit racial or am I wrong?

  19. #179
    Spec: Survival
    Item Level: 407
    Expectations: 49k+ on Ultraxion - Similar or better DPS than the other hunter in the guild, Salvin.
    Armory Link: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ftwig/advanced
    Worldoflogs Link: http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/233/ - I am not on all of the logs, I am Leaftwig, obviously.
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=72798

    Generally just looking to improve, and compete against the other hunters in the guild and of course everyone else on the meters.

  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by Wtfbbqnoob View Post
    Doesnt transmogriffing your bow to a gun clash with the troll bow crit racial or am I wrong?
    doesn't matter what you transmog into, you get the racial bonus based on the original weapon

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