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  1. #21
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    Item Level 378
    Expectations: more overall DPS, this log is specifically Baleroc normal
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...BCtters/simple (note: this boss fight I had a slightly lower level neckpiece and ring)
    Worldoflogs Link: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-4y...?s=6755&e=6933
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=57640

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  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Drasumok View Post
    Spec Marksman
    Item Level 378
    Expectations: more overall DPS, this log is specifically Baleroc normal
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ütters/simple (note: this boss fight I had a slightly lower level neckpiece and ring)
    Worldoflogs Link: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-4y...?s=6755&e=6933
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=57640
    The obvious issues on baleroc are:
    You have checked 5% crit buff on femaledwarf, yet your raid does not support it (why are you running with a cat?).
    You have checked Potion of the Tol'vir on Femaledwarf, yet are not using it (start prepotting it + using it later on in the fight, giving you 49 seconds of 1200 agility).
    Considering you got the torment buff once, I will assume you changed a trinket around. Thus I am not sure if you used the ones you are currently wearing. But if you did use the 378 rep trinket, you did not activate it once. Likewise, fluid death is a better trinket than both the rep trinket and the Magnetic ball.
    Stop pre-"potting" Rapid fire (gained buff once during the fight, with a 29.6 sec uptime).
    Tell your raid to use bloodlust at the start of the fight rather than the end of it (you lost 10 seconds of bloodlust because you did not lust untill the end, 25% of its benefit), and delay your rapid fires till after it is over if you start doing that as you can't get a second set of them anyway due to the fight length.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Drasumok View Post
    Spec Marksman
    Item Level 378
    Expectations: more overall DPS, this log is specifically Baleroc normal
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...BCtters/simple (note: this boss fight I had a slightly lower level neckpiece and ring)
    Worldoflogs Link: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-4y...?s=6755&e=6933
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=57640
    -Skinning is about a 200DPS loss over a real profession
    -Your haste is more or less random.. 15%?
    -You apply SrS and Chimera very late in the fight for no reason
    -You swap to Arcane Shot randomly during the fight and then back to AiS.
    -You are using neither AiS or Arcane Shot glyph - despite the fact that this setup sims reasonably well I haven't honestly seen it played well in practice
    -You have kill shot glyph and don't double kill shot?
    -Your pet doesn't have dash
    -You are using Ancient Petrified Seed - get Fluid Death
    -Looking at your rotation, you must be focus capping frequently

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    Bit of an update: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=9721&e=9918
    Got an DC loading screen before we killed it, but i got 30k on the kill also with a 1 or 2 countdowns so i must say it is getting better. TY for all the help Gunba.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Joyful View Post
    Bit of an update: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=9721&e=9918
    Got an DC loading screen before we killed it, but i got 30k on the kill also with a 1 or 2 countdowns so i must say it is getting better. TY for all the help Gunba.
    Just quickly looking at it again:
    -Didn't use Kill Shot at all?
    -SrS and Chimera applied veryyy late
    -No pots (get an alchemist to make them!)
    -ISS uptime has improved but 88% is still quite low, make sure you pay attention to this aura
    -If you are dumping focus stop at about 2-3s left on ISS or you will lose it (it's ok to lose it while casting second steady shot)
    -Occasionally still dumping Arcane before Chimera, but this isn't always avoidable
    -That disengage you did cost you 6 seconds of uptime (3% of the entire fight), cast instants or use fox more often

    A massive improvement but a long way to go. My alt in similar gear pulls ~33k on a 6 minute kill.

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    I didnt use kill shot in those logs because we wiped on roughly 50% and then i got a dc and forgot to restart logs.
    I did pre-pot but i didnt use a 2nd one because we wiped before i got a chance to use em together with my 2nd RF.
    The attempt where i lost a lot of time with the disengage were because both me and the other person with link used gap closers and it fucked up.

    On your alt is that in a 10 or 25m setting?

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Drasumok View Post
    Spec Marksman
    Item Level 378
    Expectations: more overall DPS, this log is specifically Baleroc normal
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...BCtters/simple (note: this boss fight I had a slightly lower level neckpiece and ring)
    Worldoflogs Link: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-4y...?s=6755&e=6933
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=57640
    I wouldn't use chimera shot if you don't know how to use it.
    Either aim shot or arcane depending on your build.

    Drop skinning for a raiding proffesion, blacksmith probably the best (only need to level it to 400ish to get the sockets)

    Chest should ignore the orange socket and go for two 40 agi, check FD for gloves, I think its also better to just go 40 agi there.
    Get Fluid Death, only hungerer and matrix beat it, maybe ancient seed if used right, but its definitively better than magnetic fireball.


    Your pet "Norman" has only 2/3 on culling the herd, you need 3/3.

  8. #28
    Spec Marksman
    Item Level 388
    Expectations: Doing more overall DPS, I wanted to ask if I should reforge for more Haste now.
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...mahil/advanced
    Worldoflogs Link: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=5450&e=5751 (I messed up on Staghelm Heroic >_>)
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=58067
    Thanks for input

    ---------- Post added 2011-11-05 at 04:28 AM ----------

    Been considering trying a haste build for a while now, Sometimes ISS falls off, I know I had a 90% uptime on Bale, could have done better :/ I just have never tried a haste build and wondered how my gear would do with it, and if it would change things drastically or not.

    ---------- Post added 2011-11-05 at 04:32 AM ----------

    The gaps between RF's is where I delay doing it again until I can use a Chimera, then readiness and pop one again before RF'ing again. This might be a bad idea, but it's what I do on fights.
    Last edited by hakai; 2011-11-05 at 04:33 AM.

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    Spec MM (Surv offspec)
    Item Level 375
    Armory Link: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...olidito/simple

    I tend to do around 25k dps in raids maybe higher maybe lower depending on the situation.

    I decided to run my character through askmrrobot. It's saying i should reforge into haste, i thought Crit was better for both MM and Surv?

    As well as that is there anything noticable with my gear etc that i could do better? Thanks in advance!

    (Currently MM during raids)

    http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/e...ir/solidito#v1

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    Spec: MM
    Item Level: 384
    Expectations: More consistent and reliable damage output, I want the best, no matter how small the increase may be.
    Armory Link: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...yztar/advanced
    Worldoflogs Link: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-xhjs4lr5464hok45/
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=56465

    Considering going high-haste and dumping with Aimed, would love opinions.

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    It is EXTREMELY hard to help someone do better dps without logs because even if you got good gear there can be 20 differnt things as to why your dps is low and it is ussualy not with what gear peices you use but more with how you play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyful View Post
    It is EXTREMELY hard to help someone do better dps without logs because even if you got good gear there can be 20 differnt things as to why your dps is low and it is ussualy not with what gear peices you use but more with how you play.
    The question i asked isn't about my dps, it's about stats and a gear check. None of which require logs.

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    Why post in the "Fix my dps" Thread if you dont want to improve your dps? questions like that go in the "rate the hunter above you" thread.

    First of ask mr robot is bit strange and dont always work so dont listen to it.
    I dont know everything about SV but from what i have found out the way to gear in terms of 2ndry stats for SV is haste to around 750 ish (not sure about the exact number here) to get 3x cobra between explosive shot and then go for as much crit you can get and the rest in to mastery (750 haste > crit > mastery > haste) but then there is a haste platue at around 2k haste iirc and that is 4x cobra between explosive shot but for this you will need to delay your explosive show a shot bit and that will make the 2k haste roughly the same dps as the 750 haste one.

    For MM its 1250 haste for 1.4 sec steady shot with WF totem/icy veins and ISS up. This will give you 5 steady 2 arcane between the unglyphed chimera shot. There is also depending on your playstyle possible to go for high haste and still dump with arcane shot or switch over to a aimed shot dump, or you can go with a high mastery build witch uses arcane shot as focus dump. While on paper the 1250 haste is the best there is so much other things going on in a fight that both the high haste and high mastery build can do as much or more dps depedning on how you play and a bunch of other things.

    Tho with MM crit is almost always the #1 stat to go for after hit cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyful View Post
    Why post in the "Fix my dps" Thread if you dont want to improve your dps? questions like that go in the "rate the hunter above you" thread.

    First of ask mr robot is bit strange and dont always work so dont listen to it.
    I dont know everything about SV but from what i have found out the way to gear in terms of 2ndry stats for SV is haste to around 750 ish (not sure about the exact number here) to get 3x cobra between explosive shot and then go for as much crit you can get and the rest in to mastery (750 haste > crit > mastery > haste) but then there is a haste platue at around 2k haste iirc and that is 4x cobra between explosive shot but for this you will need to delay your explosive show a shot bit and that will make the 2k haste roughly the same dps as the 750 haste one.

    For MM its 1250 haste for 1.4 sec steady shot with WF totem/icy veins and ISS up. This will give you 5 steady 2 arcane between the unglyphed chimera shot. There is also depending on your playstyle possible to go for high haste and still dump with arcane shot or switch over to a aimed shot dump, or you can go with a high mastery build witch uses arcane shot as focus dump. While on paper the 1250 haste is the best there is so much other things going on in a fight that both the high haste and high mastery build can do as much or more dps depedning on how you play and a bunch of other things.

    Tho with MM crit is almost always the #1 stat to go for after hit cap.
    Ok, thanks for the reply. I'll keep focusing on crit then, and just to say about posting in this thread, you was actually the one who told me to :P http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...with-my-Hunter

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    Ok then my bad =)

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    Not to be a dick, but I've been waiting a while just to get some input from a hunter for around 3 days >_< I see this thread isn't updated much...

    So could someone please look into mine. I know I could read guides and tons of stuff, but would rather hear from a hunter that has played haste builds etc.

    Thanks.

    ---------- Post added 2011-11-07 at 09:46 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by hakai View Post
    Spec Marksman
    Item Level 388
    Expectations: Doing more overall DPS, I wanted to ask if I should reforge for more Haste now.
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...mahil/advanced
    Worldoflogs Link: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=5450&e=5751 (I messed up on Staghelm Heroic >_>)
    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=58067
    Thanks for input

    ---------- Post added 2011-11-05 at 04:28 AM ----------

    Been considering trying a haste build for a while now, Sometimes ISS falls off, I know I had a 90% uptime on Bale, could have done better :/ I just have never tried a haste build and wondered how my gear would do with it, and if it would change things drastically or not.

    ---------- Post added 2011-11-05 at 04:32 AM ----------

    The gaps between RF's is where I delay doing it again until I can use a Chimera, then readiness and pop one again before RF'ing again. This might be a bad idea, but it's what I do on fights.
    This was what I posted so people don't have to search through posts again.
    Last edited by hakai; 2011-11-07 at 10:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hakai View Post
    Not to be a dick, but I've been waiting a while just to get some input from a hunter for around 3 days >_< I see this thread isn't updated much...

    So could someone please look into mine. I know I could read guides and tons of stuff, but would rather hear from a hunter that has played haste builds etc.

    Thanks.

    ---------- Post added 2011-11-07 at 09:46 PM ----------



    This was what I posted so people don't have to search through posts again.

    I also use the method of using two Chimera Shots between RFs when possible (Though not at the start). The same applies for Kill Shot during >25%.

    Your DPS is fine, honestly. 33k+ on Baleroc in a 10man setting is perfectly fine.


    As for the haste part, I'm able to bring you to a 1628 Crit, 2217 haste, 961 hit, 973 mastery setup. With above 2200 haste, I suggest you do try the haste build. It's basically the same as using Arcane Shot, you keep ISS up, SrS up, however you dont always use Chimera on cooldown. People tend to at the LATEST refresh SrS with Chimera when it's 4s left, then aimed shot in between.

    Reforge like this to get to the stats I mentioned above.
    Head : MasteryRating -> HitRating
    Neck : MasteryRating -> CritRating
    Shoulders : MasteryRating -> CritRating
    Chest : MasteryRating -> HitRating
    Waist : HasteRating -> CritRating
    Legs : HitRating -> CritRating
    Wrists : HasteRating -> CritRating
    Hands : HasteRating -> MasteryRating
    Ring1 : HasteRating -> CritRating
    Ring2 : HasteRating -> CritRating
    Back : HitRating -> CritRating
    MainHand : HasteRating -> HitRating
    Ranged : MasteryRating -> HitRating
    I used to play haste builds earlier, but changed to Arcane Shot just because it allows more room for error and I'm a bit lazy :P

  18. #38
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    Item Level 372

    Expectations: Doing much more dps than I am currently, Female dwarf shows me doing 5k more than I am actually doing on a baelroc fight with all the same buffs and debuffs, I really need help. (I do realize that I didn't use any food on this run, this is reflected in the female dwarf sim)

    Armory Link: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...rozen/advanced
    (note: I was using the sleek flamewrath cloak (67 hit -> haste rating) instead of the dreadfire one I picked up on that day (which is why it is still not enchanted with +crit), I was at the third second plateau (1372 rating with 2/3 patching according to elitist jerks), everything was like it is in the Female dwarf link

    Worldoflogs Link: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/h...?s=5705&e=5936

    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=58513

    As of note, none

    My dps seems really low, and I really don't want to be a hindrance to my guild. I have the right gems, and I was reforged to 8% hit and had 1372 which is in accordance to elitist jerks, I open with a hunters mark > Serpent sting > Chimera shot > rapid fire > readiness > chimera shot, and use aimed shot while casting chimera and cooldown and keeping ISS buff up during both Rapid Fires.

    After that I shoot chimera on cooldown, try to keep ISS up as through double steadys and bleed off focus with 2 or 3 Arcane shots so I don;t come close to capping.

    One problem I have noticed is with Aimed! shot procs, sometimes when I have an empty focus bar I go for a 4x steady shot, Aimed shot! seems to have some kind of delay which means it doesn;t proc until I;m in the middle of my 3rd SS, at which point I cast the 4th to extend the ISS and then use the proc, is this the proper way?

    Any help or criticism at all would be a great help, thank you!

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    Item Level 378
    Expectations: More improvement suggestions since last entry
    Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...BCtters/simple
    Worldoflogs Link: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-id...?s=5868&e=6208

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emophia View Post
    Spec Marksman

    Item Level 372

    Expectations: Doing much more dps than I am currently, Female dwarf shows me doing 5k more than I am actually doing on a baelroc fight with all the same buffs and debuffs, I really need help. (I do realize that I didn't use any food on this run, this is reflected in the female dwarf sim)

    Armory Link: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...rozen/advanced
    (note: I was using the sleek flamewrath cloak (67 hit -> haste rating) instead of the dreadfire one I picked up on that day (which is why it is still not enchanted with +crit), I was at the third second plateau (1372 rating with 2/3 patching according to elitist jerks), everything was like it is in the Female dwarf link

    Worldoflogs Link: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/h...?s=5705&e=5936

    Femaledwarf Link: http://www.femaledwarf.com/?setting_id=58513

    As of note, none

    My dps seems really low, and I really don't want to be a hindrance to my guild. I have the right gems, and I was reforged to 8% hit and had 1372 which is in accordance to elitist jerks, I open with a hunters mark > Serpent sting > Chimera shot > rapid fire > readiness > chimera shot, and use aimed shot while casting chimera and cooldown and keeping ISS buff up during both Rapid Fires.

    After that I shoot chimera on cooldown, try to keep ISS up as through double steadys and bleed off focus with 2 or 3 Arcane shots so I don;t come close to capping.

    One problem I have noticed is with Aimed! shot procs, sometimes when I have an empty focus bar I go for a 4x steady shot, Aimed shot! seems to have some kind of delay which means it doesn;t proc until I;m in the middle of my 3rd SS, at which point I cast the 4th to extend the ISS and then use the proc, is this the proper way?

    Any help or criticism at all would be a great help, thank you!
    Have you considered actually reading the thread? Everything you are doing incorrectly has been covered. To answer your AiS question, you need to use AiS as soon as possible without losing ISS. AIS proc is virtually equivalent to a Chimera Shot. Even if you have to push back CS by half a second it's still worth it. Any focus capping you do due to AiS proc is not a big deal.

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