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  1. #501
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nianif View Post
    25 sec but doesn't matter
    Dunno why I thought it was 20 seconds ;D Subtracted 1 because of the pre-pot and enter combat lag. But ye, you're right.
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    Not sure how it works as I've stoped raiding since two months back but when I raided usuing your SF right before the BL pops was the way to go on fights like ultra since it, to, will gain the effect and his more often and therefor give most (I say most, not all) of your mind spikes 3 orbs.
    A Bloodlusted shadow fiend with Mind Quickening will get off 12 melee hits if I'm not mistaken (needs testing, long since I did this).

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    Yep, usual 11 hits and 14 with BL => 9 additional orbs

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    Well he asked what was true so I was clarifying :P

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    ~25% additional damage in the main burst phase is great by itself.
    That burst phase is earlier ready again is a good reason but not the only one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nianif View Post
    ~25% additional damage in the main burst phase is great by itself.
    That burst phase is earlier ready again is a good reason but not the only one.
    So, the conclusion we've come to is, if you can get your SFiend affected, it's slightly beneficial. It's not even close to 25%, since your Mind Spike drops below GCD, and that causes at least 2 spellcasts to go to waste for the duration of the Archangel buff. The person who asked the original question asked if it was bad to use it during Bloodlust. If you can't get your SF to get it, it's a certain DPS loss, which I know for sure.

    Would've actually used my SF/AA during BL (w/o SF getting it) on purpose on Ultrax last week, just to show what a dps loss it is, but only 19 people showed up (including 3 getting the boost), so had to go with 2 10M raids. ;D Didn't even record WoL since parses wouldn't be comparable with usual 25M ones, 'cause of the lack of buffs. The raid I was assigned to didn't even have Bloodlust ;D Also, remind me to alt f4 next time someone invites me to a raid that doesn't have a warlock.

    /discussion

    Was an enjoyable one tho. 10 internets for Nianif.
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    Let us have a closer look on the topic:

    30.x% Haste and MS/MB cancelaura cast sequence

    1.) Without BL - time between SF hits is 1.3 and casttime of Mind Spike is ~1.15:
    MB, 6 MS, MB, 3 MS, MF, MB - 1 Mind Spike without orbs

    2.) With BL time between SF hits is 1.04 and time between Mind Spike casts is 1.0:
    MB, 7 MS, MB, 4 MS, MF, MB - all Mind Spikes with orbs

    So we get three additional SF hits and cast 11 Mind Spikes with orbs instead of 8 with orbs and one without.
    If SF is not affected by BL we cast 8 Mind spikes with orbs and three without.


    The 0.9 MS caste time topic: You lose the same amount of time with each other single target spell (VT, DP, MB..) except MF. Anyway, if you were able to cast MS and MB in 0.9 sec you would be allowed to cast additional 1.4 MS without orbs => ~50 k damage

    I did a small calc based on the damage numbers of my last Ultraxion kill (30.x% haste, 20.5 mastery, 30% crit) :

    20.5 Mastery => 3 orbs means ~219% damage

    Sequence without BL: 1298k damage (16.85 sec => 77k DpS)
    Sequence with BL and SF get is affected: 1535k damage (16.5 sec => 93k DpS)
    Sequence with BL but SF is not affected: 1370k damage (16.5 sec => 83k DpS)

    So I do 20.8% additional damage with BL if SF is affected in case the same proccs are running but at the beginning (main burst phase on ultraxion if you delay BL a few sec) prepot and proccs like Power Torrent and Lightweave Embroidery are active.

    The additional 16k DpS in the time of MS/MB burst should be more than BL damage win of the usual prio in this time.
    Later this weak I will try to do some simcraft for each case to be on the safe side.

    I have to start without DI, 5% spell crit debuff and 8% spell damage this evening :/
    Last edited by Nianif; 2012-07-09 at 09:56 PM.

  8. #508
    might be a silly question - but why cancel aura mind melt?



    i just switched from holy MS to shadow MS due to raid roster changes so any help/comments regarding my gear/spec/glyphs would be appreciated

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...talya/advanced

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    If you cast MB immediately after MS without the cancel aura mind melt => it's instant and has no chance to be affected by orbs.
    You have also a high chance to waste orbs by 2 GCD until the next consum.

    I prefere 35 mastery and movement speed on my boots.

    Haste:
    3202 or 30.x% haste for 2nd extra tick of Vampiric Touch => both ways are ok
    With Dark Intent => 2141
    Without Dark Intent => 2589

    Hit => 17%

    Nanoprecise Cape (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/77098) and Int/Mastery gems if you need mastery more than haste
    Last edited by Nianif; 2012-07-10 at 01:41 PM.

  10. #510
    Ahhhh I see thanks

    And what should my rotation be?

    Atm i do

    MS, MS, MS, MB, VT, SW:P, DP, MF til MB off CD, MB
    then continue MF til MB off CD, MB - whilst refreshing DoTs and using AA

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    I use this burst sequence: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ead/page25#486

    If you stop casting MF and cast MB without cancel aura macro immediately after you get the orbs you don't waste the next orbs because time between SF hits > GCD. This also make sure that the next Mind Spikes are affected by orbs.

    Other people prefere a pure MS/MB sequence.

    If you post a log (World of Logs) of a fight (dummy or Ultraxion maybe) we could give you better feedback.

    Do you use addons and macros which help you multidoting?
    I really like the youtube shadow interface guide of touchymcfeel. Maybe it's also interesting for you.
    Last edited by Nianif; 2012-07-10 at 02:56 PM.

  12. #512
    Im queueing for LFR atm to get an ultraxion log

    I did setup Touchymcfeel's UI but I found it really difficult to use on the fights I have to heal
    atm im using Stuf - ill post a ss in a bit

    [edit]

    heres the log
    had a little panic at one point trying to remember my keybind for cancelaura :P
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/i...pd/details/17/

    this is my ui atm, im going to redo it soon now that I'm not healing very much anymore to put the raid frames less central and make the CDs bigger and easier to see at a glance

    http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7...1012161342.jpg

    http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7...1012161342.jpg
    http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6...1012161456.jpg
    Last edited by Arlee; 2012-07-10 at 04:51 PM. Reason: Made a link due to large picture size

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    You are fast

    I'm sure the Interface will be fine.

    To the log:
    * Ultimate Power only one time
    * No pots
    * Divine Hymn shouldn't be needed in a 4:48 min LFR fight - I feel the healer in you
    * 6 sec Dispersion - for mana or reduce damage? Do you allready use a cancel aura macro for Dispersion ?
    * 0 Shadow Word: Death :/
    * Only 2 SF - 3 should be no problem in 4:48
    * Only 23 MB - 37 should be possible
    * you stop the burst sequence to early - maybe an addon like pet-time-to-live will help you
    * recast VT and DP at the beginning & before the end of BL
    * DP at the beginning and before the end of buffs like Lightweave or Power Torrent -at least if your stats wasn't better when you casted DP before

    I use kgPanels to track this:

    OnLoad:
    self:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED")
    self:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED")
    DP_Int_Base = UnitStat("player",4)
    OnEvent:
    if event == "PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED" then
    self:Hide()
    DP_Int_Base = UnitStat("player",4)
    elseif event == "PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED" then
    DP_Int_Base = UnitStat("player",4)
    self:Show()
    end
    OnUpdate:
    local diff = UnitStat("player",4)-DP_Int_Base
    self.text:SetText(diff)
    if (diff) > 0 then
    self.bg:SetVertexColor(0, 0, 0, 0.7)
    self.text:SetTextColor(0, 0.8, 0)
    else
    self.bg:SetVertexColor(0, 0, 0, 0.3)
    self.text:SetTextColor(0.4, 0.4, 0.4)
    end
    Macro:
    /run DP_Int_Base = UnitStat("player",4)
    /cast Devouring Plague
    Start of the fight:
    [16:13:20.404] Castalya casts Mind Flay on Ultraxion => clip after 2 ticks
    [16:13:22.545] Castalya casts Mind Flay on Ultraxion => clip after 2 ticks
    [16:13:24.799] Castalya afflicted by Temporal Displacement from Castalya => would be good to activate SF before but I know, nobody announce BL in LFR
    [16:13:25.146] Castalya casts Mind Flay on Ultraxion => unneeded - you allready have your stacks
    [16:13:27.326] Castalya casts Shadowfiend on Ultraxion
    [16:13:27.918] Castalya casts Ultimate Power => looks like a
    [16:13:27.918] Castalya casts Archangel => macro but only used one time
    [16:13:28.763] Castalya begins to cast Mind Spike
    [16:13:29.812] Castalya begins to cast Mind Spike
    [16:13:30.746] Castalya begins to cast Mind Spike
    [16:13:33.284] Castalya casts Mind Blast on Ultraxion
    [16:13:34.275] Castalya casts Mind Flay on Ultraxion
    [16:13:35.535] Castalya begins to cast Vampiric Touch
    [16:13:36.537] Castalya casts Shadow Word: Pain on Ultraxion
    [16:13:37.551] Castalya casts Devouring Plague on Ultraxion

    I think some practice with a better burst sequence on a dummy will help you.
    On this fight I see some room for improvement but I'm sure that will become better in a short time.
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/i...22Castalya%22+


    That should not happen:
    [16:15:08.269] Castalya's Empowered Shadow fades from Castalya
    [16:16:33.725] Castalya's Empowered Shadow fades from Castalya
    [16:17:04.885] Castalya's Empowered Shadow fades from Castalya
    [16:17:21.209] Castalya's Combat Mind fades from Castalya
    [16:17:35.598] Castalya's Empowered Shadow fades from Castalya
    [16:18:03.057] Castalya's Combat Mind fades from Castalya
    [16:18:03.342] Castalya's Empowered Shadow fades from Castalya

    I track Empowered Shadow, Combat Mind and Dark Evangelism by Weak Aura

    I fear you have to translate some names (german => english) to use this string :/
    Code:
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    Last edited by Nianif; 2012-07-12 at 08:30 PM.

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    Thankyou for your comments! theyve helped me alot


    that string returns an error for me :/

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    You are welcome

    @string: Looks like it wasn't wise to use QUOTE - should work now
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  16. #516
    did a DS run tonight, 6/8HC, my dps improved by miles, I even got top DPS on 2 fights !!


    yeah the string works now thanks

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    Item Level: 404, no staff
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    Worldoflogs Link:http://worldoflogs.com/reports/g6at9...?s=4202&e=4453 (H.Ultra 10)

    Hi guys, so I'm looking for some advice on my shadow performance. I have seen shadow priest on my server with equivalent gear+no staff doing 45k on h.ultra 10...so my performance in comparison feels rather terrible. I think with my gear I can do more than what I'm doing right now...maybe 40k-ish? But that's not the case...I'm stuck at 34k on a good day. So any tip is welcomed. I am the raid leader of my group so I call out ppl's names to take Hour of Twilight etc. But I don't think that's too distracting to the point that hinders my performance. So I think it's related to my dps technique. We pop hero at start and I do my 4pc arch-fiend-spike-blast rotation. I don't use mind spike after that, and at 25% health I wave in double SW: D. I'm also a soaker for HoT, so I disperse twice in the fight.

    I get DI for this fight most of times. Although sometimes our lock trolls me and give it to the mage lol.
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    To your char:
    * 2141 Haste with DI (reforge to mastery) or 3202 -> 2141 is better for Ultraxion, 3202 for multidoting fights
    * Lavawalker on boots

    To the logs:
    * use Archangel in a MS or MB macro
    * delay Time Warp until your Dark Evangelism stacks are up and SF is active (~4 sec)
    * precast Fade & MS
    * Shadow Word: Death only four times (~10 possible <25% health) => maybe an addon would help you
    * 27 MB (32 possibe)
    * use burst sequence - 3 times in 4:10 should be no problem
    * use Volcanic Power short time before you start your last burst sequence
    * dot Uptime should be better (Shadow Word: Pain 91.4 % but Vampiric Touch only 82.8 %)
    .. Refresh Vampiric Touch short time before it ends - you recast a few sec after it ends
    * Dark Intent uptime only 81.4%
    * delay Insigina proc by reequip before pull (105 sec before to would be good but ~1 min will work too) - Velocity ICD is 120 sec - only 2 procs anyway
    * Improved Devouring Plague only 9 times => you don't refresh at the start and before end of a proc => maybe an addon would help you
    * Devouring Plague spam (move to get orbs) is also good with Velocity => benefits more than MF
    * use a Dispersion cancel aura macro
    * you lose also too much time by Heroc Will (4-5 sec)
    * Cast an instant like Devouring Plague before you use your Extra Action Button macro in the following GCD

    Like you did here but faster
    [11:56:37.712] Xelaeno casts Devouring Plague on Ultraxion
    [11:56:38.133] Xelaeno casts Heroic Will
    Last edited by Nianif; 2012-07-23 at 07:56 AM.

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    Looking for some input if anyone can see some glaring mistakes or something big I can work on.

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    @Nianif

    Thank you so much for the detailed feedback, I will definitely look into them and try my best to improve. Really appreciate it!

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