Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
I'm using this opener ATM, prepot -> vt/swp/dp, mf x2(to procc shit and get stacks up), fiend, AA, MB, fill with flay until you need to refresh VT(usually two flays), 1-2 flay before refreshing DP(with my current HST this lines up perfectly before prepot wears off.
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Either way, it's probably pretty moot there T Man. Doing one or the other depends on the person and neither method results in a significant dps increase. As long as you remember that 4.3 is coming "soon" and at that point more than likely it will be back to stacking haste full force. The FAQ section of Kilee's Guide goes into a lot of detail about haste vs mastery, so there is not much in continuing that here.
Pre pot -> VT -> SW: P -> DP -> Mind Flay until orb -> Mind Blast -> Refresh DoTs before trinkets expire -> Archangel.
Demetrion, IMHO, your opening rotation is wrong because you're refreshing dots while you have Archangel up, which only buffs MF, MB and MS so you should refresh your dots right before you cast Archangel. So the Ariadne's the right opening rotation.
Yes it's best to cast DP just prior to using AA, and ensure you have enough time for 1 and a bit MFs before you need to refresh VT inside an AA duration. To be honest I'm not sure the opening rotation is my strongest point. I usually do this: VT, DP, SWP, SF, MF until orb, MB, VT, DP, AA and away, but I see other shadow priests bounce to the top of Skada almost from the off. We generally level off and have pretty equal DPS unless only one of us has DI, but they seem to have a better opening. I should really ask what they do lol.
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I'd say you should refresh dots asap so you could use archangel with the remaining time of your procs, don't you?Pre pot -> VT -> SW: P -> DP -> Mind Flay until orb -> Mind Blast -> Refresh DoTs before trinkets expire -> Archangel.
I've been following what Kilee's guide suggests in terms of rotation (except for the timing of Shadowfiend): Pre-Pot, SWP, MFx1.2, MB, VT, DP, AA.
Should I still be doing this? It seems like everyone else on here dots first, and then launches into the MF/MB thing. But it makes sense because you are (hopefully) getting orbs and stacking your Dark Evangelism buff before dotting, and then AAing. What do you guys think?
I'll never open with SW:P unless i need to run into range, because it is instant. Better off timing your VT with the pull timer, then instant casting SW:P after.
aside from this, I think Kilee's opener has the potential to do the most dps IF you get an early orb, but this rotation can also get fucked by bad procs.
basically i do it this way...
prepot (VT 1 second on pull timer) SWP, Shadowfiend, MF till orb, MB, VT, DP, AA
I wouldn't cast shadowfiend until all my procs are up at the same time. I usually cast it right after refreshing my dots after getting ES and right before Dark Archangel.
Having to wait 5-6 secconds with AA because you had to wait on your MB cooldown during Power Torrent and esp. volcano should be a dps los and delay your ramp up time.
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And on the subject on using MB off cooldown:
This is what I do if you MB have a ~2 sec cooldown left:
Look at the time left on your dots-
DP is over about 8-9secs left? Don't refresh.
VT have 9-10secs left? Don't refresh.
If they have less time left than that, refresh them while you have your ES left and cast mind blast without any orb.
Edit: Sorry for the tripple post above, they usually melt together to one, but not today :<
I have been experimenting with using mind blast on the pull then vt>dp>sw>mf>mf>aa>mf>mf(clipped) by refreshing dots once you have your 5 stack back up. I really like the burst at the start of the fight that this opener provides, the most damage you can throw out there at the start the better, Spriest allready kinda get boned compaired to other classes in the burst department. its not until 10-15 seconds into the fight where spriests start really really kicking ass
There are absolutly no reason for you to start with mindblast. Not only do you with you opener delay the uptime of SW: P by one global + a VT cast (usually 1.3ish secs?) but you also delay your whole opener by throwing in a casttime spell that have no direct damage after the boss is engaged that can with huge benefits be thrown in before the fight even starts.
Not to mention that this mindblast you cast won't benefit from the t12 4set bonus and is therefor considerably weaker that it could be if you delay it's cast to your first orb.
Nowhere in that opener do I see any "MB when orb comes up" or something saying that you activate the Empowered Shadow buff. As MF is considered a dot you basicly lost ~33% dps on those 3-4 last MFs.
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Picked up 2 new rings last night. Baleroc fight I was lookin ugly, was a bit disoriented. ;P We're fairly casual. Not sure whether or not to pick up more spirit, but as it is, I find it comfortable. And we've only had the lock literally 3 times. So should I stay JUST above the +2 VT tick and stack mastery because of the unreliability on DI? Otherwise, what's the benefit of more haste?
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