Upcoming Shards of Domination Set Bonus Buffs, Spit Emote Removed on TBC Classic PTR

Originally Posted by Delever

Ight lets go 3rd time: What would be the ideal situation for you? Every emote that gets "abused" gets removed one by one?

Harassment gets stopped. If things in the future get used for harassment then they should be evaluated to see what value it actually offers the game. /spit offers little value to the game. It wasn't animated. It is just a line of text. You keep trying to suggest that nothing should ever be done about harassment. That is silly.

Originally Posted by rhorle

Harassment gets stopped. If things in the future get used for harassment then they should be evaluated to see what value it actually offers the game. /spit offers little value to the game. It wasn't animated. It is just a line of text. You keep trying to suggest that nothing should ever be done about harassment. That is silly.

No that is not what I am suggesting. I am suggesting that minor shit that gets misused like emotes can be dealt with a ton easier by giving players the agency to not interact with them similar to the block list. Removing the emote potentially ruins its use for a player that was not using it in a toxic way. Killing someone in a bg and rp spitting on them once to immerse yourself in the faction pride bullshit for example might not be my cup of tea but I can see how it is for others and its harmless. The 0.1% of people that would get hurt by an interaction like this desperately needs to see a therapist and pretending that they dont is more hurtful for these individuals rather than helpful.

Originally Posted by Inoculate

Harass is a strong word here.

No it is not. A weak aura was created to spit on people on a specific mount. It is not out of line to call that harassment. Just because action is being taken about harassment doesn't mean power is being given to the toxic players. Lol. No one is controlling my emotions because they are upset over no longer being able to harass others as they once did.

How about them fixing the endless boost spams instead?

Originally Posted by Delever

No that is not what I am suggesting. I am suggesting that minor shit that gets misused like emotes can be dealt with a ton easier by giving players the agency to not interact with them similar to the block list.

Removing it is actually easier. Because it stops the action currently for everyone and doesn't require each individual player that is a target to stop it themselves. You literally are suggest that nothing gets done about harassment by Blizzard because it should be something the victim of the harassment puts a stop to themselves. Spitting on people for faction pride is not "immersive". It may be harmless to do but the emote was being used in a non-harmless manner that out weight its value of being kept for "Faction pride".

Why does the victim need to see a therapist and not those that are creating weak auras to target a specific mount? You keep trying to put all the blame on the victim and talking about player agency. Why shouldn't those who are toxic get stopped?

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Originally Posted by Inoculate

So what is your goal here? What would make the world of warcraft a safe space for you? What is going to stop those same people from replacing /spit with another emote? A custom emote? Maybe you should find a single player game if you are afraid of what others say or do.

The only one that needs a safe space here seems to be yourself. You can't seem to handle an emote being removed. Just because people will find a new way to be toxic doesn't mean you do nothing to try and stop toxicity. Lol.

Lol, if you get upset that your fantasy character in a fantasy game is getting a spit emo and if you can’t handle it then good luck in real life. We really get to a point where expressions are forbidden when there is a change it can be negative….

Originally Posted by Inoculate

I'm saying why throw the baby out with the bath water? Why should I lose access to an emote because some people cant be adults about it? Why can't blizzard instead ban those that are using an addon like that? Where is the accountability here? Why do you want to punish everyone instead of the toxic players?

The emote has little value. Removing it is a quick fix. This isn't the first time that things were changed because of potential for abuse and it won't be the last time. Why are you so upset by a small emote being removed?

Originally Posted by Inoculate

You clearly are playing devils advocate here if you are trying to goad me into an argument instead of having a genuine discussion here.

Don't you think it is past the time to try and play that card? You started this discussion with talking safe spaces and insults. When that failed you tried to reason. When that failed you turned to calling me the troll. Sometimes to handle toxic players the methods they use to harass need to be changed as well. It is a quick fix. Like I said this isn't the first time Blizzard has done this and it won't be the last time.

You are making a big deal out of an emote and even getting so riled up as to insult others who see it as no big deal.

Originally Posted by Aggressive

Seems they want to create a nontoxic environment, or somewhat nontoxic, like what FFXIV has. As they clearly see that is what players want. In that case WoW has a really really long way to go. This is only one step out of many.

What really makes FF14 not a toxic sludge farm is that the strikes on your account are permanent and three strikes you're out. Permanently. You can't even talk shit to someone for performing low on damage meters.

There's no better way to cultivate a generally positive community than holding the players accountable for their actions along with actual consequences. If someone is a terrible person then they'll get filtered out on their own in no time since SE actually cares about moderating the game.

Originally Posted by Beefhammer

You'd have to ask thise that have an issue. I just can understand that some might take issue with it.

It seems to be your stance that this emote that has been in the game for 17 years is somehow problematic. So I'm asking you: what's the problem?

Originally Posted by rhorle

Removing it is actually easier. Because it stops the action currently for everyone and doesn't require each individual player that is a target to stop it themselves. You literally are suggest that nothing gets done about harassment by Blizzard because it should be something the victim of the harassment puts a stop to themselves. Spitting on people for faction pride is not "immersive". It may be harmless to do but the emote was being used in a non-harmless manner that out weight its value of being kept for "Faction pride".

Why does the victim need to see a therapist and not those that are creating weak auras to target a specific mount? You keep trying to put all the blame on the victim and talking about player agency. Why shouldn't those who are toxic get stopped?

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The only one that needs a safe space here seems to be yourself. You can't seem to handle an emote being removed. Just because people will find a new way to be toxic doesn't mean you do nothing to try and stop toxicity. Lol.

I m actually not blaming the victim. But you can put yourself in a victimized position over anything these days and what it does in the end is it ends up ridiculing the actual victims of bullying an abuse and hurting their validity and merit. This is in no way shape or form equatable to real abuse and harassment and the fact that you and others like you are validating this ridiculous notion is hurting both actual abuse victims and people who may need professional help but do not get it because you keep insisting that such an oversensitive reaction to something so incredibly miniscule is perfectly normal.

Originally Posted by Delever

I m actually not blaming the victim.

Saying that the system should just mute the emote so the harasser can still do it with out it being seen is blaming the victims. You keep saying that the victims of the harassment should be doing all of these things instead of suggesting solutions that also target the ones doing the harassment. This is clear because you are saying that it isn't real abuse or harassment.

It doesn't hurt abuse victims to call harassment harassment. What hurts them is when people like you arbitrarily decide what is and isn't harassment. Being targeted by actions because you bought a mount is harassment. That isn't being overly sensitive by any actual definition. Stop victim blaming.

Originally Posted by rhorle

Saying that the system should just mute the emote so the harasser can still do it with out it being seen is blaming the victims. You keep saying that the victims of the harassment should be doing all of these things instead of suggesting solutions that also target the ones doing the harassment. This is clear because you are saying that it isn't real abuse or harassment.

It doesn't hurt abuse victims to call harassment harassment. What hurts them is when people like you arbitrarily decide what is and isn't harassment. Being targeted by actions because you bought a mount is harassment. That isn't being overly sensitive by any actual definition. Stop victim blaming.

It does hurt them when you equate orange text in a game that you can ignore to actual abuse.

Originally Posted by Delever

It does hurt them when you equate orange text in a game that you can ignore to actual abuse.

You can be harassed with text. You keep trying to blame the victims here by saying that targeted and coordinated usage of text doesn't mean they are being harassed. Why? Why defend the toxicity?

Pathetic.
Anyone who got sad eyes by /spit /taunt etc. should stop playing and get some friends irl.

TY BLZ for removing a legendary PvP interaction for no reason if it goes live.

Originally Posted by Bakis

TY BLZ for removing a legendary PvP interaction for no reason if it goes live.

It wasn't for no reason.

Originally Posted by matheney2k

"You can't be verbally abused since you can just cover up your ears!"

el-oh-el.

That is not at all what I said. You can of course be verbally abused. Have you seen them censoring the words "fuck", "cancer", "asshole" and the sorts? No because these words can also be used as jestly banter between people while also largely used to harass. The solution instead was to 1.) add a language filter 2.) create a blacklist and 3.) have an option to report people over repeated harassment.
Why is this treated differently when it has a far lesser consequence?

Originally Posted by rhorle

How are you sane when defending the right to harass people with an emote just because they bought a mount/package for the game?

harrassing with a virtual emote, and yet you talk about sane? Holy shit, how did you get alive out of school?

Originally Posted by Delever

That is not at all what I said. You can of course be verbally abused. Have you seen them censoring the words "fuck", "cancer", "asshole" and the sorts?

Blizzard does have a filter for swear words built in to the client. They also do take action against the usage of those words even for people who have the filter turned off depending on how and where they are used. This is not being treated any differently then what you stated. Blizzard is removing it to help combat the abuse of the emote. Something you seem to agree with given your support of filters and black lists.

But can't actually state you agree with because you think you can't be harassed with words or even worse when online.

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Originally Posted by cface

harrassing with a virtual emote, and yet you talk about sane? Holy shit, how did you get alive out of school?

So you don't think you can be harassed remotely? Also why do you think that you need to be a victim of harassment in order to think something is harassment?

Originally Posted by rhorle

It wasn't for no reason.

The reason being 0,01% of players are emotionally unstable and gets offended? (use /ignore)
Rest of us think it has a place in the game.